From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
mast@lysator.liu.se, romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, henrik.enberg@telia.com
Subject: Re: Release of CC Mode 5.31
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:04:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3bqzr2ns9.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bqzrcjth.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:24:45 -0500")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>> When the byte-compiler sees a `require', and the corresponding .elc file is
>>> older than the corresponding .el file, it should load the .el file.
>
>> By this very logic, when you (load "foo")---after all, `load' and
>> `require' are very similar---Emacs should load foo.el if it is newer
>> than foo.elc.
>
> Yes, that too.
>
>> And yet we don't do that, and I think for a very good reason.
>
> I don't know about "very good". AFAIK the reason is so that you can mess up
> the .el file as badly as you want (e.g. with conflict markers when merging
> updates) without breaking things and only once you byte-compile will you
> make your changes visible to Emacs (kind of like a "commit").
This means that you can work on a .el file for a period of time
without making emacs useless if you happen to exit and restart emacs
in case there are errors in that file.
OTOH, I wish emacs would unconditionally load .el files if started
with -D option so it was easier to debug stuff without having to guess
what code is executed by the byte-compiler.
But then again, it would make debugging of errors in byte-compiler
more difficult...
Anyways, none of this as any effect on lisp code loaded into the
dumped emacs, which is also known to confuse users...
--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-08 23:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-02 12:20 Release of CC Mode 5.31 Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-02 17:15 ` Henrik Enberg
2005-12-02 20:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-03 15:58 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-03 16:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-03 11:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-03 12:40 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-03 15:33 ` Henrik Enberg
2005-12-04 3:08 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-05 16:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-06 16:43 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-04 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-04 19:45 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-06 12:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-06 20:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-07 17:07 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-07 18:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-08 4:53 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-07 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-07 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-07 22:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-08 4:54 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-08 4:53 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-08 16:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-08 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-08 22:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-08 23:04 ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2005-12-08 23:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-09 12:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-09 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-10 4:13 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-09 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-09 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-09 15:02 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-08 23:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-09 1:42 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-08 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-09 1:43 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-06 10:32 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-06 13:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-12-06 13:46 ` Masatake YAMATO
2005-12-06 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-06 20:49 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-06 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
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