From: joakim@verona.se
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano@gnu.org>, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-threaded Emacs
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:41:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3bpvvcyd8.fsf@verona.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvd4gb3ai9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:34:21 -0500")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:
>> solution, what I would like to optimize using threads is I/O bound and a
>> concurrent model can do it only in part. If an Elisp primitive is
>> waiting for some data from a file or a socket, Emacs will hang until it
>> is ready. This problem can't be solved by concurrent threads that will
>
> Actually, no: while Emacs is waiting for socket data, it can already run
> other async code, such as process filters.
>
> So we can solve most I/O bound problems just by using a very coarse
> notion of concurrency. We already partly do it, except we're currently
> limited to a single stack, which makes coding painful and prevents some
> useful cases.
>
> Providing a cooperative threading model will remove this problem. But,
> no it's not a "final solution": I hope there never will be a final
> solution, because Emacs will always need to evolve.
Beautifully put.
>
> Stefan
>
--
Joakim Verona
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-01 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-29 13:32 multi-threaded Emacs Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 21:01 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 22:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 11:35 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:25 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 23:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:30 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 3:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 22:50 ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-07 3:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 22:06 ` Tom Tromey
2008-11-30 16:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-11-30 17:34 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:10 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 22:20 ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 23:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:09 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 0:10 ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-01 3:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 14:06 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-01 18:57 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 20:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 22:41 ` joakim [this message]
2008-12-02 16:02 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-02 22:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 22:41 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 2:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-03 18:26 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 2:59 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 7:40 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-05 8:20 ` Miles Bader
2008-12-05 9:42 ` Paul R
2008-12-05 10:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-05 10:35 ` Paul R
2008-12-05 11:02 ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-05 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-05 16:57 ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-06 4:41 ` Miles Bader
2008-12-06 7:44 ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-06 22:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 8:30 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 19:25 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-06 22:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 23:41 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-07 20:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 23:51 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 3:06 ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-08 15:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:02 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-07 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:15 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 18:26 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-08 19:49 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-09 2:15 ` dhruva
2008-12-09 2:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-09 2:53 ` dhruva
2008-12-09 9:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-09 17:26 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:10 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-10 18:18 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-10 18:18 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-10 18:18 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-11 1:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 14:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 18:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 19:01 ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 19:03 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-13 3:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 19:07 ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 2:59 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 23:10 ` Florian Beck
2008-11-30 22:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-03 7:59 Re[2]: " ak70
2008-12-04 8:45 ` Richard M Stallman
[not found] ` <87prk8mhg9.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
[not found] ` <E1L8ZUB-0002x3-VT@fencepost.gnu.org>
2008-12-05 13:27 ` Li Lin
[not found] ` <87prk64ilv.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
2008-12-05 18:37 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-06 21:58 ` Magnus Henoch
2008-12-04 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
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