From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: undecided vs utf-8
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:02:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3bp63udmo.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: tl78w18v0sq.fsf@m17n.org
Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
> ??? When the locale is "C", emacs prefers utf-8 the most.
>
> % LANG=C emacs -Q -batch --eval '(message "%s" (car
> (coding-system-priority-list)))'
>
> should prints utf-8.
Let's see...
[larsi@quimbies ~/pgnus]$ echo $LANG
en_US
Right. Well, I have no idea where that came from...
>> Well, this is about `undecided', and the C layer does DWIM-ish
>> processing when you ask it to decode `undecided', doesn't it?
>
> I don't know which Emacs' behaviour you describe as DWIM-ish.
Uhm... if you ask a computer to do something vague, and the computer
does this based on settings the user is barely cognisant of, that's the
essence of DWIM. In this case, it's looking at a string to try to guess
what the charset is ("do something vague"), and pick an answer from the
many possible based on settings the user is barely cognisant of.
I don't really see why you don't think this isn't DWIM...
> I think the best way is to provide users an easy way to
> specify a correct coding-system when they see a decoding
> error as well as the method to customize the default
> coding-system for erc.
So erc should pop up a message saying "even though this looks like
utf-8, I can tell from your locale spec that you're not expecting this,
so here's a list of 45 different charsets to choose from that the string
might be in, and I'll ask you this question for every IRC string until
you set a precedence list of charsets which I'll then force you to
choose between because utf-8 and iso-8859-1 isn't distinguishable
anyway"? It somehow doesn't seem maximally user-friendly.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-05 13:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-04 22:27 undecided vs utf-8 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-04 22:40 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-05 0:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-05 8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-11-05 2:01 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-11-05 2:32 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-05 4:42 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-11-05 13:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2010-11-05 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-11-05 13:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-05 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-11-05 12:28 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-11-05 12:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-05 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
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