From: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
To: Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@gmail.com>
Cc: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Keyword args
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:00:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3bp4pjvdc.fsf@unquote.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D0580A6.7090307@gmail.com> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:10:46 -0800")
On Mon 13 Dec 2010 03:10, Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@gmail.com> writes:
> Clearly, the solution is more uniform keyword argument parsing; either
> library functions in C could be provided, or make-network-process could
> be made a Lisp keyword-parsing front-end for some horrible
> %make-network-process that implements the functionality.
FWIW, Guile supports keyword arguments natively. IMO the proper way to
do things is to keep a uniform calling convention, and allow procedures
to parse arguments themselves, with low-level support.
scheme@(guile-user)> (lambda* (#:key (foo 42)) foo)
$1 = #<procedure 1c2f080 at standard input:1:0 (#:key foo)>
scheme@(guile-user)> ,disassemble $1
Disassembly of #<procedure 1c2f080 at standard input:1:0 (#:key foo)>:
Here we have some instructions that aren't disassembled quite as
perspicaciously as one might like, but they take the args on the stack,
and shuffle the non-positional args up:
0 (assert-nargs-ge 0 0)
3 (bind-optionals/shuffle 0 0 0 0 0 1)
And here we bind keywords. This says "fetch the keywords from the
constant table at index 1, and scan the non-positional args for one
keyword, disallowing other keywords.
10 (bind-kwargs 0 1 0 1 0)
It's somewhat complicated code, but it's a const only borne by keyword
arguments. Here we have the code that initializes `foo' if it's not
given:
16 (reserve-locals 0 1)
19 (local-bound? 0)
21 (br-if :L111) ;; -> 29
25 (make-int8 42) ;; 42
27 (local-set 0) ;; `foo'
And finally (!) the main body:
29 (local-ref 0) ;; `foo'
31 (return)
Some tests:
> (define (fib n) (if (< n 2) 1 (+ (fib (- n 1)) (fib (- n 2)))))
> ,time (fib 35)
$1 = 14930352
clock utime stime cutime cstime gctime
2.99 2.99 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00
> (define* (fibk #:key (n 0)) (if (< n 2) 1 (+ (fibk #:n (- n 1)) (fibk #:n (- n 2)))))
> ,time (fibk 35)
<stdin>:5:6: warning: possibly wrong number of arguments to `fibk'
While executing meta-command:
ERROR: Odd length of keyword argument list
> ,time (fibk #:n 35)
$2 = 14930352
clock utime stime cutime cstime gctime
5.01 4.99 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
FWIW on this machine a byte-compiled elisp (fib 35) on emacs takes about
6 seconds.
I wrote more about this sort of thing here:
http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/11/07/case-lambda-in-guile
http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/11/08/optionals-keywords-oh-my
Our elisp support uses this native infrastructure for keywords and
optionals, but there obviously are some differences regarding
implementation of dynamic scope. Lexical binding is a lot cheaper, for
Guile, but we hope to get dynamic binding cheap too.
Anyway, I would like to discourage complicated implementations in
"user-space" for keyword arguments. They should be a core language
feature, for all the reasons I gave in my first article.
Happy hacking,
Andy
--
http://wingolog.org/
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2010-12-05 23:55 Return MON KEY
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2010-12-08 15:50 ` Return Fren Zeee
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2010-12-07 17:11 ` Return tomas
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2010-12-08 13:42 ` Return Richard Stallman
2010-12-10 7:42 ` Return Daniel Colascione
2010-12-10 8:53 ` Keyword args (was: Return) Helmut Eller
2010-12-13 2:10 ` Keyword args Daniel Colascione
2010-12-13 8:30 ` Helmut Eller
2010-12-13 20:00 ` Andy Wingo [this message]
2010-12-14 5:03 ` Miles Bader
2010-12-14 7:43 ` Helmut Eller
2010-12-07 22:55 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-08 7:28 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-08 18:11 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-09 8:37 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-07 23:21 ` Return Samuel Bronson
2010-12-08 8:06 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-08 20:51 ` Return Samuel Bronson
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2010-12-12 4:49 Keyword args (was: Return) MON KEY
2010-12-12 8:34 ` Keyword args Helmut Eller
2010-12-12 17:01 MON KEY
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