From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-mortem debugging and abort Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:04:11 -0600 Message-ID: References: <86od65gyyr.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Reply-To: Tom Tromey NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213376733 3991 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 17:05:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 13 19:06:16 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7CiW-0005Jm-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:05:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7Chi-0005iU-Gp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7Chc-0005iB-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7Cha-0005hz-Cl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50288 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7Cha-0005hw-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:50125) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7ChD-00043j-GR; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5DH4D55010541; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [10.11.255.20]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5DH4CkM012420; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from opsy.redhat.com (vpn-10-79.bos.redhat.com [10.16.10.79]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m5DH4CMg030719; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:04:12 -0400 Original-Received: by opsy.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id CBA4C378182; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:04:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri\, 13 Jun 2008 19\:33\:53 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 172.16.52.254 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99127 Archived-At: >>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii writes: Eli> Sigh. I concluded a long time ago that it is useless to ask GCC and Eli> glibc developers to cater to debugging needs. At best, you are Eli> ignored; but more often you are flamed back into silence. I'm sorry Eli> that you, David, wasted your effort as well on this. FWIW on the GCC side there is a renewed awareness of the needs of debuggers. There are a couple competing proposals for better debuginfo; they are both being presented at the GCC Summit next week. So, I encourage folks to report GCC bugs in this area. I can't guarantee that nobody will be rude -- though this seems to happen less often nowadays. Tom