From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:08:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0ECC610AE06B44FC881DEDD9EF12442D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310602171 31788 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2011 00:09:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6595@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 14 02:09:27 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Uc-0003WZ-LY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:09:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54043 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Ub-0002dE-K8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36175) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UK-0002cj-LR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UG-0002YV-Qk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:50872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UG-0002YP-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UF-0001Yx-9b; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:09:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6595 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6595-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6595.13106021426002 (code B ref 6595); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:09:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6595) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 00:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UC-0001Yf-Pp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9UA-0001YU-QE for 6595@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:08:59 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Tw-0007jW-Gh; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:08:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <0ECC610AE06B44FC881DEDD9EF12442D@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:52:51 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _A Broken Frame_: "Further Excerpts From: My Secret Garden" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:6595@debbugs.gnu.org::HBknP8Mwtcu0RuUp:000000000000000000000000000000000000000001PUA X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:drew.adams@oracle.com::qL0GDbcMaUNVAmqI:0000000000000000000000000000000000000001OLRn X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh9Tw-0007jW-Gh MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311206925.10851@mSFwv4glOvAJU2lVIiNtBQ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48965 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > The tooltip doc is not so great. > > Node Tooltips of the Emacs manual says nothing about tooltip mode being > enabled by default. And it says nothing about option > `tooltip-use-echo-area'. > > More generally, it nowhere explains clearly what the recommended way of > moving help to the echo area is (i.e. not using tooltips). There is an > option, `tooltip-use-echo-area', whose doc tells you that if you want > help to appear in the echo area then you should customize this to > non-nil and enable tooltip mode. It says (now): You can toggle display of help tooltips (Tooltip mode) with the command @kbd{M-x tooltip-mode}. When Tooltip mode is disabled, the help text is displayed in the echo area instead. Which I think is clear enough. > This is not clear to me. Either there is a design flaw - perhaps > `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be removed, or more likely something is > simply missing from the doc. Please explain - make this topic clear to > users. I think `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be obsoleted -- as you point out, it seems nonsensical. Does anybody know why `tooltip-use-echo-area' exists? 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