* bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc
@ 2010-07-09 17:52 Drew Adams
2011-07-14 0:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Drew Adams @ 2010-07-09 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 6595
The tooltip doc is not so great.
Node Tooltips of the Emacs manual says nothing about tooltip mode being
enabled by default. And it says nothing about option
`tooltip-use-echo-area'.
More generally, it nowhere explains clearly what the recommended way of
moving help to the echo area is (i.e. not using tooltips). There is an
option, `tooltip-use-echo-area', whose doc tells you that if you want
help to appear in the echo area then you should customize this to
non-nil and enable tooltip mode.
But why? Why is there this separate option, in addition to the option
`tooltip-mode', whose customization to nil has the same effect of moving
help to the echo area?
This is not clear to me. Either there is a design flaw - perhaps
`tooltip-use-echo-area' should be removed, or more likely something is
simply missing from the doc. Please explain - make this topic clear to
users.
In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2010-06-28 on 3249CTO
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include'
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* bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc
2010-07-09 17:52 bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc Drew Adams
@ 2011-07-14 0:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-28 5:04 ` Chong Yidong
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-07-14 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 6595
"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> The tooltip doc is not so great.
>
> Node Tooltips of the Emacs manual says nothing about tooltip mode being
> enabled by default. And it says nothing about option
> `tooltip-use-echo-area'.
>
> More generally, it nowhere explains clearly what the recommended way of
> moving help to the echo area is (i.e. not using tooltips). There is an
> option, `tooltip-use-echo-area', whose doc tells you that if you want
> help to appear in the echo area then you should customize this to
> non-nil and enable tooltip mode.
It says (now):
You can toggle display of help tooltips (Tooltip mode) with the
command @kbd{M-x tooltip-mode}. When Tooltip mode is disabled, the
help text is displayed in the echo area instead.
Which I think is clear enough.
> This is not clear to me. Either there is a design flaw - perhaps
> `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be removed, or more likely something is
> simply missing from the doc. Please explain - make this topic clear to
> users.
I think `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be obsoleted -- as you point out,
it seems nonsensical.
Does anybody know why `tooltip-use-echo-area' exists? Hysterical
raisins?
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* bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc
2011-07-14 0:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-01-28 5:04 ` Chong Yidong
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From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-01-28 5:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 6595
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> I think `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be obsoleted -- as you point
> out, it seems nonsensical.
>
> Does anybody know why `tooltip-use-echo-area' exists? Hysterical
> raisins?
If I'm not wrong, Emacs used to have a more limited facility for showing
echo area tips without going through tooltip.el. Nowadays both
graphical and echo area tooltips use tooltip.el. I've marked
`tooltip-use-echo-area' as obsolete.
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