From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:19:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbk4i1m4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpacdpwl.fsf@telefonica.net> <878w5fizcb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4C3C553D.9090203@siege-engine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279023595 31633 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 12:19:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric M. Ludlam" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 14:19:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeSj-00082b-Md for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:19:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48211 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYeSi-0004tY-Ni for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37797 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYeSW-0004rE-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:19:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeSV-00057k-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:19:36 -0400 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:47204 helo=gate.verona.se) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeSU-000576-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:19:35 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id o6DCJVkL027488; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:19:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C3C553D.9090203@siege-engine.com> (Eric M. Ludlam's message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:59:57 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127170 Archived-At: "Eric M. Ludlam" writes: > On 07/13/2010 04:32 AM, Tom wrote: >> Since we don't have a killer feature which would attract new >> users like perfect code assist (context aware completion, instant >> display of documentation of elements, live indication of syntax >> errors, etc.) out of the box with near-zero configuration, we > > Enabling the CEDET code completion stuff "by default" would come > pretty close. I know lots of folks complain about CEDET being hard to > figure out or configure. On GNU systems with projects written in > Automake, however, it self configures most of the complicated stuff, > and will do a good job with completion in C and C++ and a few other > languages. > > CEDET is also now a part of Emacs. Why not configure CEDET to be on, > use it for a while, and instead of turning it off because of some > glitch you don't like, fix the little things that confused you or were > hard. That would take less time than reading this thread. > > One of the things I was most surprised by was that when CEDET was > integrated into Emacs, only 2 people tried it and reported anything > from this list. I fixed those things too. Now this list is posting > things that effectively pretend CEDET doesn't exist. What's up with > that? I too find this annoying. CEDET is the infrastructure we have. Now we should polish it a bit so its easier to set up. > Eric -- Joakim Verona