From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James H.Cloos Jr. Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [wl@gnu.org: changing line heights] Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:03:12 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <86isni5yyh.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <20030924.144951.177659448.wl@gnu.org> <86brta5noi.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <20030925.104708.70197319.wl@gnu.org> <86r8259ooh.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <20030926003720.GB3873@fencepost> <3F7394BC.1070103@jclark.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064585354 17462 80.91.224.253 (26 Sep 2003 14:09:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Gerd Moellmann , wl@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 26 16:09:10 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A2tHS-0003Gq-00 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:09:10 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A2tHS-0006R1-00 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:09:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A2tD6-0006jz-WF for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:04:41 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A2tCA-0006aJ-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A2tC5-0006X6-V8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:03:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.240.156.239] (helo=ore.jhcloos.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.22) id 1A2tC4-0006S5-U6; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:03:37 -0400 Original-Received: from lugabout.jhcloos.org (host-69-48-14-14.roc.choiceone.net [69.48.14.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "lugabout.jhcloos.org", Issuer "ca.jhcloos.com" (verified OK)) by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DD21C5DC; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:03:22 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from lugabout.jhcloos.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugabout.jhcloos.org (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386)) with ESMTP id CE21026133; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: James Clark In-Reply-To: <3F7394BC.1070103@jclark.com> (James Clark's message of "Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:22:04 +0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16672 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16672 >>>>> "James" == James Clark writes: James> It seems to me that the right solution is by default to James> map 0x60/0x27 to the Unicode quotation marks only in James> buffers displaying documentation (help and info); GNU documentation is not the only user of `' for ‘’ and ``'' for “”, that is also the way TeX specifies quotes. And apostrophes. Not to mention their use in source code. James> users should also be able to enable this mapping James> on a per-buffer basis and globally. As Miles wrote, some fonts make the glyphs hard to distinguish. A few years ago I used to use 75dpi/lutRS08.bdf for xterms and emacs. (Really. :) There is no where there to tell apart the open and close glyphs. OTOH, I now use misc/9x18.bdf and that makes the glyphs easy to distinguish. It is important to give the users a single defcustom that the default behavior depends on, as well as per mode and per buffer controls. -JimC