From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:24:40 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098879916 19284 80.91.229.6 (27 Oct 2004 12:25:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 27 14:25:03 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMmrP-0007AH-00 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMmz9-00059J-38 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMmyy-000592-Qz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:32:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMmyy-00058q-C7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:32:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMmyy-00058n-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:32:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMmqx-000394-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 37132 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 12:24:34 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 12:24:34 -0000 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:49:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29047 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29047 Richard Stallman writes: > I don't really want to add any message there -- if we leave the feature > disabled by default, the users who turn it on doesn't need to be told > how to get the alternative behaviour. > > What's the point of adding it if it will be disabled by default? Personally, I think it should be enabled by default, but I felt some general resistance towards this feature building up, so I was just being defensive :-) > Only for people with two-button mice? These are not common with > GNU/Linux are they? They are common on laptops (installing GNU/Linux on it didn't seem to add the missing button :-) > > I thought the whole point was that beginning users would not know > about Mouse-2 and find Emacs harder to use as a result. The only > way the feature can address this is if it is on by default. Agree. > We're looking for ways to make the default Emacs behavior better; > any options are a secondary matter. The problem is to agree on what the behaviour should be... -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk