From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as a desktop environment Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:44:16 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <09EEF7C6-A715-412D-ABE7-022681CD2E85@raeburn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306345469 11116 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2011 17:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Dev To: Ken Raeburn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 25 19:44:25 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPI88-000142-OX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:44:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43657 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPI88-0007aM-Di for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPI85-0007aF-Dh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPI84-0001Gr-Go for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:14100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPI84-0001Gh-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:20 -0400 Original-Received: from int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PHiJXc016316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:19 -0400 Original-Received: from ns3.rdu.redhat.com (ns3.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.199]) by int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PHiITq032412; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:19 -0400 Original-Received: from opsy.redhat.com (ovpn01.gateway.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.9.1]) by ns3.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p4PHiIeW013539; Wed, 25 May 2011 13:44:18 -0400 Original-Received: by opsy.redhat.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id AF2843781A4; Wed, 25 May 2011 11:44:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: <09EEF7C6-A715-412D-ABE7-022681CD2E85@raeburn.org> (Ken Raeburn's message of "Wed, 25 May 2011 12:33:55 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.23 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139704 Archived-At: Ken> * viewing .doc files, editing/viewing spreadsheets from others, Ken> making presentation slides (OpenOffice); not very common, so not a Ken> big deal I do presentations in Emacs using epresent.el. It is primitive but more than sufficient for my purposes; YMMV. Ken> * general web browsing (firefox/iceweasel); yes, there's w3 mode, Ken> and I haven't looked at it in a long time, but the last update to Ken> the git repo on gnu.org was three years ago, and it seems like it'd Ken> be insufficient these days unless it's got Java and Javascript and Ken> Flash and TLS and certificate management and video and (etc); well, Ken> maybe not video or Flash much for work specifically I think Emacs will never be an excellent web browser, but for some specific things (e.g., Gtk documentation or Bugzilla), I use w3m and a local setting for browse-url-browser-function that picks what viewer to use depending on the URL. Ken> Multithreading in Emacs is sorely lacking; really, having my log Ken> viewer and ssh windows freeze, because my spreadsheet is being Ken> recomputed or I'm loading a really big file from a slow file Ken> server, just isn't acceptable behavior for a desktop environment. My progress on this is much slower than I'd like :-( Tom