Diary time intervals format

Diary time intervals format

[Bastien]

Hi,

i'd like to store an appointment and its *duration*; i expected diary
would understand something like:

  Nov 30, 2006, 14:30--20:00 RDV Beaubourg

.. so that org-mode could use this properly in the agenda display.
I couldn't find any relevant information in the Emacs manual or in
emacswiki on how to store time intervals within appointments.

Any hint?

-- 
Bastien

Re: Diary time intervals format

[Christopher Kuettner]

Bastien wrote:
> i'd like to store an appointment and its *duration*; i expected diary
[...]
> .. so that org-mode could use this properly in the agenda display.

> Any hint?

an example right out of my .diary file:

17 Nov 2006 16:00 - 18:00 Teambuilding Marketingmeeting

there is nothing else in the line just this and it works in the org-agenda.

   <> Christopher

Re: Diary time intervals format

[J. David Boyd]

Christopher Kuettner <ckuettner@gmail.com> writes:

> Bastien wrote:
>> i'd like to store an appointment and its *duration*; i expected diary
> [...]
>> .. so that org-mode could use this properly in the agenda display.
>
>> Any hint?
>
> an example right out of my .diary file:
>
> 17 Nov 2006 16:00 - 18:00 Teambuilding Marketingmeeting
>
> there is nothing else in the line just this and it works in the org-agenda.
>

I'll have to try that.  I'm 'assuming' that it displays okay in fancy diary mode also?

Dave

Re: Diary time intervals format

[J. David Boyd]

Bastien <bzgNOSPAM@altern.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> i'd like to store an appointment and its *duration*; i expected diary
> would understand something like:
>
>   Nov 30, 2006, 14:30--20:00 RDV Beaubourg
>
> .. so that org-mode could use this properly in the agenda display.
> I couldn't find any relevant information in the Emacs manual or in
> emacswiki on how to store time intervals within appointments.
>
> Any hint?
>
> -- 
> Bastien


I just saw a response in the org list where some one said that this worked
fine.  Now, they did have only one dash between the times, and a space on both
sides.  Let me try it and see what I get...



Hmm, it seems to work okay.  I went into my .diary file, and added a duration
of xx:yy - yy:zz, and it showed up in my org mode agenda fine.

Re: Diary time intervals format

[Bastien]

david@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes:

> Hmm, it seems to work okay.  I went into my .diary file, and added a
> duration of xx:yy - yy:zz, and it showed up in my org mode agenda
> fine.

I found the anwser and tried this as well, but i'm not really
satisfied with the output.

  Dec 5, 2006, 16:00 - 20:00 Formes symboliques

is converted as:

  Diary:      16:00...... - 20:00 Formes symboliques

when i expected:

  Diary:      16:00...... Formes symboliques
  Diary:      17:00...... Formes symboliques
  Diary:      18:00...... Formes symboliques
  Diary:      19:00...... 

or maybe: 

  Diary:      16:00...... Formes symboliques
  Diary:      17:00...... ------------------
  Diary:      18:00...... ------------------
  Diary:      19:00...... 

But i think it's not an org-mode issue, it's rather a diary issue. 

I couldn't find any syntactic rule for keeping track of appointments
duration, a feature that is obviously required by both planner-muse
and org-mode.

But maybe my fancy diary config is a bit messy, or i'm missing
something... what your agenda output looks like ?

Cheers,

-- 
Bastien

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Bastien]

Hi Christopher,

Christopher Kuettner <ckuettner@gmail.com> writes:

> 17 Nov 2006 16:00 - 18:00 Teambuilding Marketingmeeting there is
> nothing else in the line just this and it works in the org-agenda.

As i said in gnu.emacs.help, the output is not quite as i expected.
Can you give me an example of your agenda display for such a diary
entry?

(BTW, i think it's a appt and/or diary issue, not an org-mode one.)

All the best,

-- 
Bastien

Re: Diary time intervals format

[carsten.dominik]

Bastien wrote:
> david@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes:
>
> > Hmm, it seems to work okay.  I went into my .diary file, and added a
> > duration of xx:yy - yy:zz, and it showed up in my org mode agenda
> > fine.
>
> I found the anwser and tried this as well, but i'm not really
> satisfied with the output.
>
>   Dec 5, 2006, 16:00 - 20:00 Formes symboliques

Org-mode expects "16:00-20:00" instead of "16:00 - 20:00", i.e.
no spaces around the dash.  I guess I could relax these rules a bit,
like allowing the spaces, and also allowing two dashes.  Will
look into it.

- Carsten

>
> is converted as:
>
>   Diary:      16:00...... - 20:00 Formes symboliques
>
> when i expected:
>
>   Diary:      16:00...... Formes symboliques
>   Diary:      17:00...... Formes symboliques
>   Diary:      18:00...... Formes symboliques
>   Diary:      19:00......
>
> or maybe:
>
>   Diary:      16:00...... Formes symboliques
>   Diary:      17:00...... ------------------
>   Diary:      18:00...... ------------------
>   Diary:      19:00......
>
> But i think it's not an org-mode issue, it's rather a diary issue.
>
> I couldn't find any syntactic rule for keeping track of appointments
> duration, a feature that is obviously required by both planner-muse
> and org-mode.
>
> But maybe my fancy diary config is a bit messy, or i'm missing
> something... what your agenda output looks like ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Bastien

Re: Diary time intervals format

[J. David Boyd]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Hi Christopher,
>
> Christopher Kuettner <ckuettner@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 17 Nov 2006 16:00 - 18:00 Teambuilding Marketingmeeting there is
>> nothing else in the line just this and it works in the org-agenda.
>
> As i said in gnu.emacs.help, the output is not quite as i expected.
> Can you give me an example of your agenda display for such a diary
> entry?
>
> (BTW, i think it's a appt and/or diary issue, not an org-mode one.)
>
> All the best,
>
> -- 
> Bastien


Were you expecting it to cover several physical lines in the time grid?  

I expected that as well, but it just shows up on one line...

Dave

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Christopher Kuettner]

> As i said in gnu.emacs.help, the output is not quite as i expected.
> Can you give me an example of your agenda display for such a diary
> entry?

Day-agenda:
Tuesday   12 December 2006
  8:00...... ----------------
  9:00...... xxxxxxx
  9:00-12:00 xxxxxxx
10:00...... ----------------
12:00...... ----------------
12:00-17:00 xxxxxxxxx
12:00-14:00 Uhr Wocheneinkauf
14:00...... ----------------
16:00...... ----------------
17:00-22:00 xxxxxxxxxx
17:00-22:00 xxxxxxxxx
18:00...... ----------------
20:00...... ----------------
22:00...... blueprint
22:00...... xxxxxxxxxx
24:00...... xxxxxxxxx

Re: Diary time intervals format

[J. David Boyd]

Christopher Kuettner <ckuettner@gmail.com> writes:

>> As i said in gnu.emacs.help, the output is not quite as i expected.
>> Can you give me an example of your agenda display for such a diary
>> entry?
>
> Day-agenda:
> Tuesday   12 December 2006
>  8:00...... ----------------
>  9:00...... xxxxxxx
>  9:00-12:00 xxxxxxx
> 10:00...... ----------------
> 12:00...... ----------------
> 12:00-17:00 xxxxxxxxx
> 12:00-14:00 Uhr Wocheneinkauf
> 14:00...... ----------------
> 16:00...... ----------------
> 17:00-22:00 xxxxxxxxxx
> 17:00-22:00 xxxxxxxxx
> 18:00...... ----------------
> 20:00...... ----------------
> 22:00...... blueprint
> 22:00...... xxxxxxxxxx
> 24:00...... xxxxxxxxx


That's what I get.  I think the OP was hoping to see

>  9:00...... xxxxxxx
> 10:00...... xxxxxxx
> 11:00...... xxxxxxx
> 12:00...... xxxxxxx


rather than 

>  9:00-12:00 xxxxxxx

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Bastien]

david@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes:

> Were you expecting it to cover several physical lines in the time
> grid?

Yes, but i finally think one line is acceptable enough.  So
18:00-20:00 is correctly displayed in the agenda buffer for me.

Regards,

-- 
Bastien

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Carsten Dominik]

Multiline display in the time grid becomes annoyingly hard when you 
have overlapping appointments.

- Carsten

On Dec 2, 2006, at 15:42, Bastien wrote:

> david@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes:
>
>> Were you expecting it to cover several physical lines in the time
>> grid?
>
> Yes, but i finally think one line is acceptable enough.  So
> 18:00-20:00 is correctly displayed in the agenda buffer for me.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Bastien
>
>
>
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--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Christopher Kuettner]

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Multiline display in the time grid becomes annoyingly hard when you have 
> overlapping appointments.
> 
> - Carsten

Still a bi*#& to code I guess, but would this be a good solution?

13:45 -------------------------
14:00 > Meeting Project Group
14:15 |------------------------
14:30 |------------------------
14:45 |------------------------
15:00 | > Start playing Tetris
15:15 | |----------------------
15:30 | |----------------------
15:45 | |----------------------
16:00 < <
16:15 -------------------------
16:30 -------------------------

Re: Re: Diary time intervals format

[Carsten Dominik]

Clearly, your groups meetings do have the same structure as ours :-)

Yes, hard to program for several reasons...

- Carsten

On Dec 2, 2006, at 18:49, Christopher Kuettner wrote:

> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Multiline display in the time grid becomes annoyingly hard when you 
>> have overlapping appointments.
>> - Carsten
>
> Still a bi*#& to code I guess, but would this be a good solution?
>
> 13:45 -------------------------
> 14:00 > Meeting Project Group
> 14:15 |------------------------
> 14:30 |------------------------
> 14:45 |------------------------
> 15:00 | > Start playing Tetris
> 15:15 | |----------------------
> 15:30 | |----------------------
> 15:45 | |----------------------
> 16:00 < <
> 16:15 -------------------------
> 16:30 -------------------------
>
>
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--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477