From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:52:53 -0500 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bq80mgut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fxxbjjk2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199681599 6017 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 04:53:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:53:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 05:53:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBjzW-0005Vr-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:53:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBjz9-0001mk-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBjz5-0001ly-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:53:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBjz3-0001lL-Ob for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:53:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBjz3-0001lI-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBjz3-0005i5-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JBjyx-0008IE-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:53:03 +0000 Original-Received: from ool-182f7b67.dyn.optonline.net ([24.47.123.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:53:03 +0000 Original-Received: from sds by ool-182f7b67.dyn.optonline.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:53:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ool-182f7b67.dyn.optonline.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Cancel-Lock: sha1:9EBmmCkmrFt68xS/xIp/pfpSAww= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86428 Archived-At: > * Richard Stallman [2008-01-06 23:18:05 -0500]: > > "the current development version" is not a concept for git. No > repository is special as far as git is concerned. The "current > development version" is a social, not a technical concept. For example, > the git maintainer was off-line unexpectedly for some months recently. > Somebody else took over seamlessly by collecting, arranging and > coordinating patches on the git list into _his_ repository. > > With CVS, people can get the current version of every program on > savannah in a uniform way. What you say seems to imply that that is > not possible with git. That seems like a big step backwards. No, this just means that if savannah goes down, nobody can get emacs from CVS (people can't work on emacs, can't exchange patches &c). with DVCS, someone can announce that he is stepping in for savannah and people would hardly notice other than by having to give a different argument to "git pull" and "git push". Note however that with CVS, getting CVS head and building it is hardly more expensive than downloading a source tarball - wrt both bandwidth and disk space. With git, the situation is vastly different: you cannot just get the head, you always get the whole change history, so instead of 40MB, you will be getting and storing 200MB. This may not be a big deal these days for many people, but it might be a showstopper for some. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) http://mideasttruth.com http://memri.org http://israelunderattack.slide.com http://palestinefacts.org http://truepeace.org http://ffii.org Isn't "Microsoft Works" an advertisement lie?