From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Musings on creating an HTML-based WYSIWYG mode Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 22:11:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1525205435 6939 195.159.176.226 (1 May 2018 20:10:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 20:10:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=B8ren_Pilg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 01 22:10:31 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbbb-0001gJ-Gv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 22:10:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbdg-0006UI-JQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 16:12:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbd7-0006UB-FG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 16:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbd4-0006wm-58 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 16:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:35327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbd3-0006ox-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 May 2018 16:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.221.165.getinternet.no ([84.212.221.165] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fDbcs-0006iR-9J; Tue, 01 May 2018 22:11:52 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEWSj35eAAnAvqMuAwZU DBJJAAdoUElMJifbhTSyAAACSklEQVQ4jVWSvW8bMQzFablQVhO2L6ugwXMK1tEcpE7nw1nIqosL 3er0EunfL0nZ+dB05s/vPVIUjKtFArDAxwCsYERE+QG2AzzVJMSYRbJc33RJCKaRiCb9zqAAzzZB GseZKFAB792Ly2KFZ/5TymuSc9+MpYy34oyo9RoU5NdXCVegggK2hWy4XoATAIcGoErXmqBaUKf9 2bibygKNMM45AHV6yuBY0gSrpnjUljJ/laSCrtVBI/q/KcMU8gJHTBegEbjqeOjSsVVnudncwJ6w k5scV1yfKNsic8xqhT9kagarGnKxdtmsGHQlZ+TwjihDzsvUQERcF+l1zU1amNLpDCeiYdjzXzvp VaZKfDvzHSyJtgJQBMPQhrqhADtO2DLopa6+VCx3JIAih8TuA9x5v6M2yLCPscdtWxkZ7z2v5yST b2PETSvTPdd9aYNg60iHDUlAbaPjtVVtKrFXAr+8gquTTU6B+wbu52K880kAUv8JwqTA873rOj+t agNMsP8AQSTlxYOAxbofvyoCvyorgg39wu/AZOONkfl+ar27gGo4wimICsZDC69JoxnwBT6IYjs0 UFmgIMah52eA7xcw/7uCY3yUhTcQ1KuB+hzqhHhooOjtCji+s29FbBlhkj2xGX/+EfDOy1InnkIv i+itCJgjHyFs78Hxgwu1nSvIcuMug3auXg08Z2Cv3Rlo/iLh+PgkgB9jqKHOV3AcYn+rwALHznTx OtYDP68XGWMCaUnd3ljxex8fNqYBFsyXzt7i4Xh8KLq/+h95h+AxfzoPaQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22S=C3=B8ren_Pilg=C3=A5rd=22's?= message of "Tue, 1 May 2018 21:00:09 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225016 Archived-At: S=C3=B8ren Pilg=C3=A5rd writes: > The question is if it is worth the effort? To me the greatest benefit > of a WYSIWYG editor would be if I could edit in the "finished" website > eg. sort of like editing the elements in the developer tools of > chrome/firefox. That means CSS has to be supported, and potentially > also javascript. If a website is only HTML it is easy enough for me to > visualize how it is going to look. You seem to be talking about programming a web site, not writing text? The vast majority of text out there on the web is produced in a WYSIWYG editor of some kind or another, for instance the JS-based editor in Wordpress or any of a number of editors inside other CMS systems. > Building a WYSIWYG editor in Emacs sounds like a complicated affair > and I am not sure it is really worth it as editing plain standalone > HTML is becoming a niche thing. It could be useful for HTML emails > though! Editing text for publication is far from a niche thing, and HTML is the common serialisation format. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no