From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unwarranted invocation of starttls Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:57:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83aa67s5zo.fsf@gnu.org> <834nwfs0k2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325617114 8339 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2012 18:58:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 03 19:58:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Z7-0007ku-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:58:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39143 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Z7-0003qI-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:58:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53608) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Z4-0003px-5y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:58:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Z2-00081G-TQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:58:26 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46542) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Z2-00080S-M3; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:58:24 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri9Yo-0000ol-Sh; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:58:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <834nwfs0k2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:08:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+4TbmiA7+xB6cOAP9 rBv+zh/2nBT+ux6NxeqrAAACO0lEQVQ4jW2UQY/TMBCFR0DEFRM2XFuzka8bGS1nuia5Zi0sztkG c6WRwX+fN+MkW62YVmn7Ps+MPTMuqWdrYpzn2TnXxxjpWo6sis39CprpWmajfXXknxmW0g44OOtD 3mwFa5RnHYRElzAPqruj/4GLUh9faa0LIc4wlyiqeQ/9oI0pgNfnfKA31r6jKgQPagDYgbd5IJMX HQJR4HikONBvqvSiM4QAqwKDhiMNi8dqtrYihPMC5nIEAW2LUCDaFA8GWicA1nkHhtaqDgCX40kL ADHUSWWnxuXlq70PG/BkLRddKlZbm1sBIWgAazu846TwrZ9GAXwOpeoG0gf3gGc63wnwSF539h7S vUMkm2v71tLrx+VpC2Utu1lVW2VvaigvPHRtH+1BPLYcnwfOkc9fxiM2hV11Skmo6CY8b88/x4q4 9MjR1Xz4aWoQyyxBzLOHyE10p4vtQthBIyOC2rbh+OlmA8gR0QyuKux7CFfAbX1jG7nia6i8NYFb OvKHOGhC/6Vu1VpWXo45McQO49oEKpFkfojTQihBWEfbeRq5J3tzSnQdfpg8rB7Szdz6VmO+tE+u 5xylaQx0HhKGUuMW0lIIRimkk+lxPXv3C7eTuBhw0KH1t6cUdyOMGg5YaezB+L6ImBqAJesDeY0M rf4Ldb3d8OAseBlsCmDagOOpBTLJ/Qkpqt1DepHwjvGbT73oHYO43mKAJ4/t7qG2m4kNndhjI8Sd zeUfZzCOdfn/KMAVgC+8Xo4y/QPrQxN/3XuZqQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Aerial (1)_: "A Coral Room" X-MailScanner-ID: 1Ri9Yo-0000ol-Sh MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326221891.65098@jrtVzQBerRPMqaFU+SPSVg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147226 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> What was the message exactly? > > Opening STARTTLS connection to `MY-SERVER-NAME:25' Ah, right, that's definitely from starttls.el. This means that 1) your SMTP server has announced that it offers STARTTLS, and 2) `open-network-stream' has determined that don't have built-in TLS support, and 3) that it thinks that you do have external TLS support of some kind. > I think the reason is that installing GnuTLS binaries installs > gnutls-cli executable on PATH. At least, if I remove all the > executables and leave only the shared libraries, the problem goes > away. `starttls-available-p' probably returned non-nil for you, I guess? It would be interesting to find out why it didn't work, then. Could you put the gnutls-cli program back into your path and edebug through `starttls-open-stream-gnutls' (I think) to see what goes wrong? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/