From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs vs. TextMate (not trying to start an editor war) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:31:14 -0600 Message-ID: References: <47107.6355003335$1215674200@news.gmane.org> <87fxqh34jk.fsf@edna.homeunix.org> <877ibt33p4.fsf@edna.homeunix.org> <8763rdqopj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: tromey@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215790325 24021 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2008 15:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:32:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 11 17:32:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHKby-0004yX-69 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:32:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHKb6-0002TD-H8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHKal-0002Rf-A1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHKak-0002Qq-EC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55658 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHKak-0002Qi-Ah for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:39569 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHKak-00073W-2S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KHKah-00025Q-0y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:31:23 +0000 Original-Received: from 207.189.197.162 ([207.189.197.162]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:31:23 +0000 Original-Received: from tromey by 207.189.197.162 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:31:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.189.197.162 X-Attribution: Tom User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TdSYfSZ28PBrN6SiSF6jdLfI/eU= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55436 Archived-At: >>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader writes: Miles> What is really desirable, I think, is some way of transparently fooling Miles> "whole buffer" modes into thinking they have control of a whole buffer, Miles> when in fact, they just have control of part of one. I think it's Miles> probably possible to do this (perhaps using an extension of the indirect Miles> buffer mechanism?) but afaik nobody has really looked at the problem Miles> closely. Have you looked at MuMaMo? I thought it did this kind of thing. But, I have not looked at it and I don't know the details. It has always been funny to me how Emacs is so awesome, but then has some areas which seem strangely idiosyncratic and under-powered... e.g., IMO the parsing machinery for writing a major-mode is distinctly weird and hard to use. Tom