From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327061610 6634 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2012 12:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 'Ulrich Mueller' , Paul Eggert , Drew Adams To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 13:13:22 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RoDLN-0007FH-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:13:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42704 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoDLK-0001jG-M4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:13:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54667) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoDLD-0001iO-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:13:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoDL7-0001nR-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:13:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com ([207.210.242.212]:34467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoDL7-0001nE-86 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:13:05 -0500 Original-Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 4A18340182; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:12:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1327061583; bh=T5rjiaeNzoI0vCarnakaZNMwGRIm2KzfJ2VW6kSx15U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yAQxuZqswOLnfRE7U9CR9+wxP3hMiWn+ZAEItv1XXoEZK6iAzekMM+DPJ+9wa7wly js2DcUj3qnzG2M82z+SnKwF16iyROEKxO5iWFqd07j8ljO69WQULzh2EMAE29ixCMQ o+y4Gx8gCNlVzaeYpBv+Lb/0jhD3GxIUFnYZTeDo= Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 241B136004C; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:01:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:49:22 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2012 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 24 X-Hashcash: 1:30:120120:emacs-devel@gnu.org::xr/xz3suIt2nS/SR:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000l38cf X-Hashcash: 1:30:120120:acm@muc.de::ddECw3vn63MCBk9I:000000QQQMG X-Hashcash: 1:30:120120:eggert@cs.ucla.edu::vRI8EWIMn37xYCCw:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000002vyLy X-Hashcash: 1:30:120120:ulm@gentoo.org::USMTXzQoE1EX80Nt:00IosHV X-Hashcash: 1:30:120120:drew.adams@oracle.com::qCJquMicxXVF9hrQ:000000000000000000000000000000000000000plAOr X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 207.210.242.212 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147766 Archived-At: Noting that ASCII ` always was a grave accent, and never a quote, it seems that the proper fix for TeXinfo is to add one or more @foo commands to cover quotations which are not already covered. Adding @quote{} as a generic mechanism would be the starting point, to specify locale-specific quoting. Those locale details can be found in the glibc src. Separating semantics from presentation in document sources is a beneficial goal. Atoms with more specific semantics could be added in the furture. (As a side note, Knuth(, et al?)=E2=80=99s choice of `' and ``'' instead = of a \command{} is one of the *very* few details I think he (they?) got wrong. I presume that TeXinfo=E2=80=99s usage derives from TeX=E2=80=99s= .) (It was most tempting to use =CE=88=CE=BB=CE=BB=CE=B5=CE=BD=CE=B9=CE=BA =CE= =A4=CE=B5=CE=A7 instead of Latin TeX. :) (I hope =C2=BB=CE=88=CE=BB=CE=BB=CE=B5=CE=BD=CE=B9=CE=BA=C2=AB is the cor= rect declension.) (And apologies for the abundance of parenthetical postscripts. ;) -JimC --=20 James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6