From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPAing all the GNU manuals Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:12:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87tx3st7cs.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <20140928104735.GB3157@acm.acm> <87lhp4knro.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87oau0t2yy.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411906411 16867 80.91.229.3 (28 Sep 2014 12:13:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 28 14:13:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XYDLv-0001Sd-Sw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:13:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59527 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XYDLv-0007NW-BI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:13:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58599) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XYDLo-0007Ll-1i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:13:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XYDLi-0005O5-Ka for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mx6.bahnhof.se ([213.80.101.16]:12560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XYDLi-0005Nr-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:13:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx6-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8865841762; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:13:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF4) Original-Received: from mf4.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf4.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AnsAZQya8MKY; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mta.verona.se (h-235-102.a149.priv.bahnhof.se [85.24.235.102]) by mf4.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77363D7879; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:12:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720A651AD86; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:12:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at verona.se Original-Received: from mta.verona.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (exodia.verona.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mS6vJ35SnT74; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:12:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from exodia.verona.se (www.verona.se [192.168.200.15]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E103E51AD81; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:12:41 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87oau0t2yy.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:10:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 213.80.101.16 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174765 Archived-At: Nic Ferrier writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Alan Mackenzie writes: >> >>> You'll get one more non-authoritative place to obtain all these >>> manuals, and from this place they're not going to be up to date, >>> unless you figure out some mechanism of keeping them up to date. >>> Keeping them up to date is going to be a lot of work. >> >> Uh, I don't _want_ my info manuals to be up to date. I want them to >> correspond to the software version I have installed. I have nothing to >> gain from using copy&paste of some code from a manual that is not yet >> supported by my software. > > I've just realized I am asking for permission and I should just be > doing. > > > But here's one reason why things do go into ELPA. General negativity > being almost always the first reaction on this list. So, I will play good cop. To me it sounds like a cool idea. Apart from just being good cop, I see some actual benefits. There is precedence in the Java world for this sort of thing, and there its pretty useful. In the Emacs world, we would gain increased visibility of the GNU world from within Emacs. ELPA browser frontends will also be nicer. Now over to the bad cops... > > Nic > -- Joakim Verona