From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The netsec thread Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:46:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83bmb214ez.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1532360721 6030 195.159.176.226 (23 Jul 2018 15:45:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:45:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Robert Pluim , Emacs-Devel devel To: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 23 17:45:17 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd1P-0001P8-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:45:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35230 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd3W-0001EU-3z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:47:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd2Q-0001D9-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd2M-0002Jv-Ln for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:32815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd2M-0002Is-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:46:14 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.221.165.getinternet.no ([84.212.221.165] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd2H-0003fJ-G2; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:46:11 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAALVBMVEWDh5HCvbH49/OclIfS zcL9/fz7+/qtpJaBhpK3r6L////+//7p5t9/f4T+/v1RBwJ/AAABAklEQVQ4jWNYBQLLFmWtgoFH h1atCopaxQDhIcRhACqx6hUuCZw6SJGIObXq3aJzR96hS6yec/RJ8REj8+tKqC5jWCQ4sfyy8nTj 65pRqBJLPUUkK0UcjcvFiLW8o6ODAQw4GjrgoKGBgWGVyjmQgmNArLILWcc6m1OrVi0RLX+1alUJ ilFrDk6vnBNccrHcvPi66CFk5850lDWZLnNw4nTH6VP8kF317p1kVNzTde/evXsaiubcp1idi9Mf SOx1JEsQZUcUVeN8xElk4dSxDhz3WCSexr17hU1i3dLQqChsEkuXPnuahVXHuqWpWCVWRYWlYTVq 1dN3OFy1CpxP6RGIABTF5UQoael9AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC In-Reply-To: (Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong's message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:22:28 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:227720 Archived-At: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong writes: >>> Sorry I got lost in that giant thread. >>> `gnutls_dh_set_prime_bits` is only deprecated on GnuTLS 3.1.7+. Are we >>> dropping support for all version < 3.1.7? I'd be super happy to do it >>> if that's the case and remove this var and the C code entirely. >> >> Sure, but making it obsolete won't mean that we drop anything until, >> like, 2023, and by then GnuTLS will be up to 5.4.13. > > I take this means removing the related code entirely but not declare > in the NEWS file like 26.1 that we are now requiring GnuTLS >= 3.1.7. > Sounds good to me. No, marking something as obsolete means that we leave the variable and code in Emacs for a couple of release cycles. > Fine by me. So, go back to the original wording and just checks the > certs and fingerprints on low is what you are saying? Yes. >> There is no extra work, because we shouldn't call the functions >> something containing "tls". > > But that's not what you argue for originally. I can drop the `-tls-` > bit if that makes that part of the shed more palettable. That is what I was arguing for originally. >>> `nsm-tls-checks` is already a defcustom. It's super easy to add and >>> remove a function. You can defun whatever name you want and add to it, >>> and click [-] to remove. Using name mangling magic to fish out a check >>> function makes defcustom super-awkward, and AFAIK, no other emacs core >>> setting does it this way. >> >> There's a bunch of "feature" setting that do not include full function >> names. > > ??? I'm not sure what you're asking... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no