Emacs's native scroll-bar (--without-toolkit-scroll-bars) can have a huge gap between fringe and scroll-bar. To see this: emacs -Q -l sb.el Where sb.el has: ,----[ sb.el ] | (setq initial-frame-alist | '((scroll-bar-width . 10))) `---- As you can see the gap between the fringe and scroll-bar is close to 8 pixels. I see no gap for gtk scroll-bar though. Screenshot: