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From: "Sean O'Rourke" <sorourke@cs.ucsd.edu>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development?
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:48:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2zm3btujl.fsf@cs.ucsd.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1Hvyqd-0003Je-BI@fencepost.gnu.org

Let me just put in a word for the Luddites here...

> There's a long thread on fedora-devel (Why isn't emacs
> installed by default)

I have recently experienced similar "integration with a modern
desktop environment" on Mac OS X, where we have the choice
between standard Carbon Emacs and Aquamacs, which tries to behave
more like other Mac applications.  As a longtime Emacs user on
many platforms, I find Aquamacs highly unpleasant.  Many of its
"enhancements," like widespread use of variable-width fonts,
color themes, and pop-up frames, are counterproductive.

I already have a number of lines in my .emacs disabling various
bits of modernization (e.g. tooltip-mode, tool-bar-mode,
blink-cursor-mode, enormous fringes on both sides), and expect
that acceding to Gnome's wishes would just add to this list.
Emacs has its own ways of doing things, and some of us prefer
them, and believe they are better than more "modern"
alternatives.  There are many clear improvements available in
modern environments, such as the option of having anti-aliased
fonts.  But I urge the Emacs developers to be wary of making
changes simply because they make Emacs more "modern," and to
continue to make it possible to disable such changes.

/s

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-07 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-04  3:31 Post-22.1 development? Chong Yidong
2007-06-04  6:59 ` Release announcement [was Re: Post-22.1 development?] Glenn Morris
2007-06-04  8:44   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  9:11   ` Yavor Doganov
2007-06-04  8:58 ` Post-22.1 development? Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04  9:20   ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-06-04  9:24     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04 19:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04  9:25     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 16:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 17:31   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 18:53   ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-04 19:34     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 19:44         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 20:01           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-05  5:17     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:32       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-05 16:39         ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-05 18:39           ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-06  0:21         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06  7:56           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06  8:45             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06  9:22               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-06 10:25               ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 10:54                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:02                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 12:06                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 13:19                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 13:44                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:38                   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-06 15:11                     ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 19:33                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06 12:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07  5:33             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  6:12               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-04 19:31   ` Post-22.1 development? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 21:18     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-05  5:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:10       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-05 21:35         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 22:33         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06  7:58           ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-06 13:07             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-06 13:47               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-07 15:45               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:05                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-07 19:01                   ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09  9:50                   ` David House
2007-06-06 22:09             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-07 20:25               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-08 14:27           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10 15:59   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11  9:44     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 10:04       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 11:25         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11 17:02         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11 19:08           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 22:23             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-13  8:07           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:00         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 16:57             ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-12 17:43               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 22:09                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-12 23:38                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 18:19                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:15                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 18:44                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 19:22                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:47                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 20:08                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-06-14  6:11                         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  6:18                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  6:57                             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  7:33                               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  8:08                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  8:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  9:22                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-13  0:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 17:39                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 20:57                     ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-13 22:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15  6:09                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-15 14:02                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-14  7:49               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  8:57                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-15  8:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  9:02                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 18:51                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05  5:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05  6:17     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 19:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 20:52         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05 21:13         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 21:10             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07  6:51               ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  6:57                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  8:21                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  9:04                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08 14:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:06                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07 18:33                 ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-07 18:53                   ` David House
2007-06-07 18:47                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08  5:54                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  7:17                     ` IPP under emacs [was: Re: Post-22.1 development?] Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 14:25                       ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-08 18:37                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 20:20                           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 20:59                             ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:16                               ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 21:40                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:43                                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-09  1:41                                     ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-09  9:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  3:47                           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10  7:11                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-10 13:18                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:49                   ` Post-22.1 development? Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 18:41                     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-08 20:12                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08 14:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:01                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08 19:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 22:25                       ` desktop.el/session.el [was: Post-22.1 development?] Davis Herring
2007-06-08 23:06                         ` desktop.el/session.el Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09 21:32                         ` desktop.el/session.el Juri Linkov
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Post-22.1 development? Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  7:23                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  7:11               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  9:01                 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 19:48             ` Sean O'Rourke [this message]
2007-06-07 21:18               ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 22:17                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07 23:58                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 23:06                     ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  0:03                       ` 48 line console Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  1:34                         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  7:19                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  8:59                             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  9:50                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 10:40                       ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 22:25               ` Post-22.1 development? David Reitter
2007-06-07 22:42                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` David Reitter
2007-06-08 13:57                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-08 14:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:23                       ` csant
2007-06-08 19:17                         ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  1:23                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-06-05 10:24 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 10:55   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 11:19   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 21:07     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06  0:37       ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 19:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:55     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-06 16:58       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 21:22     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06 16:59       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 15:28 ` Neal Becker
2007-06-06 15:32   ` David House
2007-06-12 18:39 ` Jay Belanger

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