From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthew Lundin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:13:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232072045 7764 80.91.229.12 (16 Jan 2009 02:14:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: "Samuel Wales" Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 16 03:15:16 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LNeEt-0000am-Ux for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:15:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56127 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDc-00033D-Tx for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDJ-00032I-5T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDI-00031t-5R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48534 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDH-00031e-Mm; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:35 -0500 Original-Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:45086) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LNeDH-0006LU-By; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:35 -0500 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02FE227695; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:34 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:34 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: 5QqEZtTRl7Wz9Q0vuhckbcul0l/L/vtnFDNDJ9RJ8S8i 1232072013 Original-Received: from Macintosh-5.local (pool-96-248-128-134.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net [96.248.128.134]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 879003BA7A; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:33 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> (Samuel Wales's message of "Thu\, 15 Jan 2009 18\:41\:31 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:10486 gmane.emacs.help:61390 Archived-At: Hi Samuel, "Samuel Wales" writes: > I have noticed more people using boxquote and similar ways of setting > off code. This makes it pretty and makes it stand out, both of which > are good things. > > However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses "|". > > While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a > command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much > might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new > user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it > doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a > need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes > can do that. > > Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by > default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. > > What do you think? I hadn't thought of that. I started using boxquote because I was looking for an easier way to set off code. But if it's a nuisance or a problem to new users, then I'd be happy to modify the variable boxquote-side accordingly. Something like this perhaps? ,---- (setq boxquote-side " ") `---- What do others think? Is this readable enough? The only downside is that the cursor has to be on the beginning or ending line for commands such as boxquote-unbox or boxquote-yank or boxquote-narrow-to-boxquote to work. Best, Matt > > -- > For personal gain, myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly > causing massive suffering and 25-years-early death by grossly > corrupting science. > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Lundin Subject: Re: desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:13:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDJ-00032I-5T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:37 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNeDI-00031t-5R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:13:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> (Samuel Wales's message of "Thu\, 15 Jan 2009 18\:41\:31 -0700") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Samuel Wales Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Samuel, "Samuel Wales" writes: > I have noticed more people using boxquote and similar ways of setting > off code. This makes it pretty and makes it stand out, both of which > are good things. > > However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses "|". > > While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a > command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much > might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new > user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it > doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a > need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes > can do that. > > Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by > default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. > > What do you think? I hadn't thought of that. I started using boxquote because I was looking for an easier way to set off code. But if it's a nuisance or a problem to new users, then I'd be happy to modify the variable boxquote-side accordingly. Something like this perhaps? ,---- (setq boxquote-side " ") `---- What do others think? Is this readable enough? The only downside is that the cursor has to be on the beginning or ending line for commands such as boxquote-unbox or boxquote-yank or boxquote-narrow-to-boxquote to work. Best, Matt > > -- > For personal gain, myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly > causing massive suffering and 25-years-early death by grossly > corrupting science. > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode