From: Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> To: "Samuel Wales" <samologist@gmail.com> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:13:31 -0600 [thread overview] Message-ID: <m2zlhshub8.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> (Samuel Wales's message of "Thu\, 15 Jan 2009 18\:41\:31 -0700") Hi Samuel, "Samuel Wales" <samologist@gmail.com> writes: > I have noticed more people using boxquote and similar ways of setting > off code. This makes it pretty and makes it stand out, both of which > are good things. > > However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses "|". > > While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a > command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much > might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new > user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it > doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a > need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes > can do that. > > Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by > default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. > > What do you think? I hadn't thought of that. I started using boxquote because I was looking for an easier way to set off code. But if it's a nuisance or a problem to new users, then I'd be happy to modify the variable boxquote-side accordingly. Something like this perhaps? ,---- (setq boxquote-side " ") `---- What do others think? Is this readable enough? The only downside is that the cursor has to be on the beginning or ending line for commands such as boxquote-unbox or boxquote-yank or boxquote-narrow-to-boxquote to work. Best, Matt > > -- > For personal gain, myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly > causing massive suffering and 25-years-early death by grossly > corrupting science. > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
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From: Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> To: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:13:31 -0600 [thread overview] Message-ID: <m2zlhshub8.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> (Samuel Wales's message of "Thu\, 15 Jan 2009 18\:41\:31 -0700") Hi Samuel, "Samuel Wales" <samologist@gmail.com> writes: > I have noticed more people using boxquote and similar ways of setting > off code. This makes it pretty and makes it stand out, both of which > are good things. > > However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses "|". > > While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a > command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much > might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new > user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it > doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a > need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes > can do that. > > Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by > default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. > > What do you think? I hadn't thought of that. I started using boxquote because I was looking for an easier way to set off code. But if it's a nuisance or a problem to new users, then I'd be happy to modify the variable boxquote-side accordingly. Something like this perhaps? ,---- (setq boxquote-side " ") `---- What do others think? Is this readable enough? The only downside is that the cursor has to be on the beginning or ending line for commands such as boxquote-unbox or boxquote-yank or boxquote-narrow-to-boxquote to work. Best, Matt > > -- > For personal gain, myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly > causing massive suffering and 25-years-early death by grossly > corrupting science. > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-16 2:13 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2009-01-16 1:41 desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Samuel Wales 2009-01-16 2:13 ` Matthew Lundin [this message] 2009-01-16 2:13 ` Matthew Lundin 2009-01-16 2:32 ` Austin Frank 2009-01-16 3:34 ` Matthew Lundin 2009-01-16 4:41 ` Kevin Rodgers 2023-08-18 20:46 ` Samuel Wales 2009-01-16 9:56 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.5042.1232113758.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-01-16 15:05 ` [Orgmode] " Sébastien Vauban 2009-01-16 21:05 ` Allan Gottlieb [not found] ` <mailman.5078.1232139937.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-01-20 13:08 ` Sébastien Vauban 2009-01-22 9:42 ` Reiner Steib
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