From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Shannon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: a) What ways can Meta be put in a command?... b) What's the difference between Esc-x and M-x Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5isizsbzhu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppuwg1xy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373115681 21381 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2013 13:01:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 06 15:01:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRuz-0001FT-4A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:48:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRuy-0001XA-Po for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:48:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45563) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRuk-0001RO-8q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:48:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRuf-0004aI-1f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ehub22.webhostinghub.com ([173.205.127.64]:55753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRue-0004YB-V7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:48:28 -0400 Original-Received: from 216-80-103-171.drb-bsr1.chi-drb.il.static.cable.rcn.com ([216.80.103.171]:44593 helo=Thomass-MacBook-Pro.local) by ehub22.webhostinghub.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UvRuM-00080K-2F; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 08:48:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ppuwg1xy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Fri, 05 Jul 2013 22:57:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (darwin) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ehub22.webhostinghub.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bearingthenews.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ehub22.webhostinghub.com: authenticated_id: tshanno@bearingthenews.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 173.205.127.64 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:91977 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Peter Dyballa writes: > >>> b) What's the difference between Esc-x and M-x >> >> In a terminal emulation M-x does not exist, you have to use >> Esc-x. The GNU Emacs variants with some windowing support also >> support the Esc-x work-around. > > On paleo-computers, was the Escape key placed anywhere else than > it is on today's keyboards? The reason I ask is - well, just try > hitting a couple of familiar shortcuts, but instead of Meta, use > Escape. I think it would take a master at the accordion to be > productive using that. 1) Totally agree. 2) Think how bad it would be if, like the way people usually use the meta key, you would have to simultaneously hold down Esc and the key. At least you can press Esc, let up on it, then press the second key and it works fine. Still awkward but, as I don't know how to play accordion, thank goodness its much easier. :) Tom S.