From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>,
ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 12:01:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2zhaaygve.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y2pvqhuj.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Wed, 13 May 2020 23:08:04 -0500")
>>>>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 23:08:04 -0500, Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> said:
Karl> Here's a concrete example I've seen over and over:
Karl> User does `C-x C-f' to find a file, but they hit Return at the wrong
Karl> moment while typing the file path, causing a Dired buffer comes up
Karl> visiting the file's directory. The user is, of course, totally
Karl> baffled by this result. And yet it's obvious why this is a good
Karl> default behavior for `find-file' -- for people who understand what's
Karl> going on.
Are you proposing "you appear to be visiting a directory, would you
like to enable dired? [yes/no/once]"? That would be massively
annoying, but only once per feature, so I could live with it. Or we
could add an 'emacs-expert-user' variable (or should that be
'expert-emacs-user'? :-) ).
Karl> If the proposed starter pack is going to mitigate effects like that
Karl> for newcomers, it can only do so by making the keybound functionality
Karl> space sparser -- which of course then lowers the reward-for-investment
Karl> rate as the user gains expertise. How do you propose solving that?
Karl> Do we make an explicit "I'm ready to leave newcomer mode now" command?
Karl> But that requires the user to make a guess about the moment of their
Karl> graduation from newcomer to non-newcomer -- and this moment is
Karl> mythical, since the learning is a continuous process with no discrete
Karl> boundary.
disabled commands already offer this, no?
Robert
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Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-11 20:09 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? ndame
2020-05-12 6:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 7:13 ` ndame
2020-05-12 12:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-12 13:07 ` ndame
2020-05-12 14:56 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 0:39 ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-05-13 1:34 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-13 1:50 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-12 10:00 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-12 11:10 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13 3:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-13 10:32 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-14 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 10:34 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 8:15 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 22:07 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-18 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 8:05 ` Tramp and crypted files (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-19 4:01 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 14:38 ` Tramp and crypted files Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 8:51 ` Deus Max
2020-05-19 14:48 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 8:27 ` Deus Max
2020-05-20 8:49 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 17:49 ` Deus Max
2020-05-20 19:09 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-25 18:48 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-26 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-26 7:13 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-27 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28 13:05 ` Deus Max
2020-05-29 9:16 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 16:33 ` Deus Max
2020-06-07 15:08 ` Michael Albinus
2020-06-13 12:06 ` Deus Max
2020-06-13 13:15 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 18:22 ` Deus Max
2020-05-17 8:28 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 11:57 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:34 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 16:33 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 17:39 ` Tramp nextcloud (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 18:12 ` Tramp nextcloud H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-13 8:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13 9:33 ` Tramp nextcloud (SOLVED) Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13 10:45 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13 11:10 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:04 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 16:00 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12 12:30 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-13 1:22 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
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2020-05-13 2:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-13 3:58 ` jao
2020-05-13 23:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-14 0:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 10:08 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-14 10:17 ` tomas
2020-05-14 10:34 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 10:40 ` tomas
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 9:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-17 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-17 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 7:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-18 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 3:56 ` shr.el rename? Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 5:50 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-19 12:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-19 16:47 ` T.V Raman
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 15:20 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Filipp Gunbin
2020-05-18 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 9:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 10:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:07 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:49 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 12:14 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 15:28 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 6:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-16 8:24 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-17 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 11:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-12 12:44 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-13 16:36 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14 3:01 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-14 4:08 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14 10:01 ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2020-05-14 16:35 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-17 1:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-18 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28 4:00 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 17:19 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-28 18:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-28 20:52 ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 21:10 ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:27 ` andres.ramirez
2020-05-28 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 13:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-28 21:14 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-29 13:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-29 1:24 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-29 3:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 3:06 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-29 3:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 13:19 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-30 5:23 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-05-29 13:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 17:48 ` ndame
2020-05-14 1:15 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-14 4:10 ` ndame
2020-05-14 4:28 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 5:37 ` ndame
2020-05-17 12:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-17 13:18 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-19 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 22:03 ` chad
2020-05-13 21:05 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-05-14 14:35 ` Björn Lindqvist
2020-06-03 11:39 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? A: Autocompletion Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 12:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 12:50 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 13:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 13:59 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 14:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:40 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 18:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:15 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:49 ` Drew Adams
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-12 7:11 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Zhu Zihao
2020-05-12 7:22 ndame
2020-05-27 15:58 Van Ly
2020-05-28 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-30 7:17 ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-31 10:01 ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 12:49 ` excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-06-01 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-01 5:21 ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-02 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-02 3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2020-06-02 5:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-01 9:11 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-01 23:32 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 23:50 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-06 9:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 9:58 ` tomas
2020-06-06 10:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:29 ` tomas
2020-06-06 14:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 14:58 ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-06 20:18 ` tomas
2020-06-06 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 9:59 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-06-06 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:18 ` tomas
2020-06-06 12:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-03-04 11:46 Evgeny Zajcev
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