From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim McNamara Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc! Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:22:34 -0600 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <140120041853024358%stupidnewsprogram@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074228467 31003 80.91.224.253 (16 Jan 2004 04:47:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 16 05:47:43 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AhLtX-0002XR-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:47:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhLdz-0006As-Ie for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:31:39 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!freenix!proxad.net!209.98.13.50.MISMATCH!phobos.visi.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!gemini.bitstream.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DTArfNq2neWWcIs0feucpJCVC2U= Original-Lines: 49 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: eca4657e.news.bitstream.net Original-X-Trace: 1074226957 gemini.bitstream.net 434 216.243.177.155 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@bitstream.net Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:120147 comp.emacs:82860 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:16089 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:16089 tfb@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) writes: > Tim McNamara writes: > >> Konrad Hinsen writes: >> >> > I have probably missed the start of this thread, but I am a bit >> > surprised about it. Even the non-windowing emacs that Apple ships >> > with MacOS X uses the option key as the meta key (they couldn't >> > use the command key as that is used by the terminal). Nobody >> > *has* to use ESC on a Mac. >> >> Apple neglected to provide a way to use the Alt/Option key as Meta >> in their implementation of X11. You can use OroborOSX to correct >> this, but that takes a long time to launch and is still a beta, as >> well as adding yet another layer to the processes. On my machine, >> creating an .Xmodmap to correct this caused the X server to crash >> repeatedly; not sure why, I don't have enough experience with this >> sort of thing. So I end up using ESC, and it works well enough. > > Hmm, I'm pretty sure I had option setup as meta at one point. But > maybe that was with XDarwin, before apple released X11.app. Either > way, you are aware that under X11.app, the Command key is Meta, > right? Not on my install (10.3.2). Command key does nothing in X11 except run a few menu items (minimize window, close window, launch applications, etc). >> Kudos to Apple for building OS X over a BSD platform; however, they >> still don't quite "get it" as far as the Unix end goes. > > Huh, I disagree -- I now use my Mac as something other than just a > really pretty Unix, but that's how I treated it at first. I guess we'll disagree on that, then. There are significant issues with things like the linker, missing libraries and include files, dumb installation, etc. A functioning gcc should be included with the base distribution, not a 1+ GB add-on that also includes a bunch of crap that is only useful for programming for Aqua, and which can't be deleted if one wants to be able to install Apple's XCode updates- which one pretty much has to do because of how Apple has mucked about with BSD to make it Darwin. It's a vast improvement over all prior Mac OSes that I've used since 1986, to be sure, and it's the only reason that I still use a Mac (that and I'm too cheap to buy a new computer, and too busy to convert the one I have to something more standard). It's just irritating to have to spend hours to bring the Unix aspect of OS X up to snuff.