From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrey Lisin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Why do we need a number of different terminal modes in Emacs? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 13:09:53 +0600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422774618 6015 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2015 07:10:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 07:10:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 01 08:10:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofh-0000fy-Jz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:10:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43779 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofg-0006YF-Rc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 02:10:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofU-0006V2-Fq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 02:10:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofR-0004TJ-Ay for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 02:10:04 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42838) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofR-0004RY-58 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 02:10:01 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YHofP-0000Sx-6E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:09:59 +0100 Original-Received: from pppoe91.net137-6.omkc.ru ([94.137.6.91]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:09:59 +0100 Original-Received: from andrey.lisin by pppoe91.net137-6.omkc.ru with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:09:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 15 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pppoe91.net137-6.omkc.ru User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:RtyDnKieS0lgO1KiaQWyL6ZeuRk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102413 Archived-At: Hi everyone, could anyone explain me why do we need several of terminal implementations inside Emacs? Shell, eshell, term, ansi-term... And as far as I noticed they all suck one way or another. For example, shell cannot complete commands when you ssh to remote server inside it. Eshell tragically cannot do a very simple thing - source a bash script. Really, try to run `. some_script.sh' or `source some_script.sh' inside eshell. So, am I right and we need them all just because one solves restrictions of the others and others do the same thing for the one? Why then not just to write some standard terminal implementation, that will just works? Does it have something with cross-platform nature of Emacs? Or, maybe I'm doing something wrong and all this stuff makes sense? Thank you.