From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:49:03 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> <87zizcfzna.fsf@T420.taylan> <20151021.102719.485566340.wl@gnu.org> <871tcoehk2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87eggofmy2.fsf@T420.taylan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445453397 15513 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2015 18:49:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer=22?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 21 20:49:52 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoyRy-0005vx-3U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:49:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoyRw-0007ke-Nn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33568) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoyRr-0007kH-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:49:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoyRq-0007AB-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:49:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]:36506) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoyRn-00078t-HI; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:49:15 -0400 Original-Received: by pacfv9 with SMTP id fv9so64732983pac.3; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:49:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ylzSBXJ/SiWnbVbQcvgRXP8zB44bylIcQOoZVlIlhrY=; b=auATfGUkvEiexQkLDU+vuXJVcoGAVebz602VUYCmSBPkQrUONXrtnyRR6jEPI0kuPW LuYLiHy2l+4+fOLZI2JivFmKmTjrdI3EGlYhjiYzVEwsjZMSpGZUpLmY/KP+Midv+rSj yJQU+Xtv76od3OC92R5flWRW6+oyC0fkq70/6CVibo2Uy5aJqffy9gHxDxpHnjI3a6Ff gzGQHLsSc3lP96lEEpF+pL1sXOXn29nkTfPdCPT5DwK9RiV9EXfe9U3k75lx9fn8yPbR Ks778eKV5RpKxyumppciaXUmgkgxcq0vdBfDio6uA5i+h1eknKLiPxd8UVcSydFkti9F Urng== X-Received: by 10.68.183.5 with SMTP id ei5mr12376902pbc.124.1445453354927; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fb1sm10432688pab.9.2015.10.21.11.49.12 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 34EA1F5B38D5; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eggofmy2.fsf@T420.taylan> ("Taylan Ulrich \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=5C\=22Bay\=C4\=B1rl\=C4\=B1\=2FKammer\=5C\=22\=22's\?\= message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:03:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay?= =?utf-8?Q?=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer=22?=), David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192313 Archived-At: >>>>> Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer" wr= ites: > How about, *first* of all, the latest version of my ELPA patch gets appli= ed, > so there is an *immediate* benefit to Emacs users. Claiming that a single > line of duplicated code outweighs that would be absurd. It is not absurd to us, who maintain Emacs. Telling us that our concerns are absurd is inconsiderate. Your current patch has been rejected. You should be working with us to formulate an acceptable patch, rather than constantly arguing about why your patch should be accepted, or inciting the venom of those disaffected with emacs-devel to gain moral support for your position. You underestimate our desire for a correctly behaving `shell-quote-argument= '. In that, I believe we're in perfect agreement. What we want is a test to ma= ke these weaknesses clear to us, not only so that the improvement may be technically grounded, but as documentation and evidence that it will never break in future. Instead, the way I feel right now is that you want to ram your code down our throats, and are castigating us for not elevating your concern to same degr= ee of importance you feel it is. This is just one issue out of hundreds we have on our plate. To be an effective contributor means working with us, not against us, to improve Emacs. If our concerns lead to make-work or inefficiencies sometimes, consider that an opportunity to demonstrate your willingness to be a good citizen. That would buy you a lot more social credit when it comes to the next patch, than fighting for the specific outcome you want. John