From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: John Wiegley NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457555051 960 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 20:24:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 20:24:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 21:24:04 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adkeE-0006nP-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:23:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44032 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adkeE-00074i-C1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:23:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41760) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adkdx-00074E-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:23:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adkds-0001b8-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:23:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236]:34142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adkds-0001az-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id 129so49430650pfw.1 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:user-agent :reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=GeD8JFILE7OkBalmdx4rb62KGZzP6ywXazfQArF2sG8=; b=Fu3adptAHHX1xR1eGMzs7OfkzWRt0jBt+dQ3cvfsMm+gLNFqJI5Havn+9AvjzewL6D 7asO1QNEROR0HXV9k+QQ4XE0zAQPYw2KxBjLOWrRuhMCvDqoANgxVyyQTyhT9JLH5FsT GTk7bwNbgfux0aEtubGF7JZK24bLV3Rwbnk4VI2WqiywkpuxL696bo9ttYbBbPlJtrj0 na0aRQG8jlKST3vwJFfYNjlUiAr5iXMwGbZrO7TussmFKGB1u04ih+4SL+6Qkk2laMzN RU81muNz0FLox4Mss9GzKoC/qxrsHR06+J/3VF8bS6UUgtldg18ppSOWv6IXlfowVrio 9OLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=GeD8JFILE7OkBalmdx4rb62KGZzP6ywXazfQArF2sG8=; b=ePGK8W+Ewk1BbBQAvrQ8z04Eeou5Pkz3xPaOd6qYznqO4/aahu3WSw0pCIMRltRj1g /ejHlfdtBkO2luhdEDUMkCNbhoJ9PG3maxEWMo1LXl5NOwGyhlletU6zbIDCmeOKXqo3 77YWTT2mVfkXWeVFvW2W49IQ9PXF8Fnn96FWgI712CRe+j/0Jv4oSnRmUduHIJ+oC/7l XQtd5dmyctVj6AJSfmVDtdSRGOcls4Q8sWUPyRhB0M3mpMIbfdhzFXEthEtdcBfaW696 D1ev7OrYbbTLuqVdCbNNfirDc6Gi9fsLAWX5XzBoUzF/Rpo/ANgS/99HRDpKgCp7LbuZ qSqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJOXFvr2kzKJh5DqkvosSFO9yPTR6FyXfbFibph7K3pugTn96NU3mIfd7JHhihV7Q== X-Received: by 10.98.33.74 with SMTP id h71mr177810pfh.157.1457555015290; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:23:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ez6sm218756pab.12.2016.03.09.12.23.34 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 994361361F20E; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:23:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:38:05 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201315 Archived-At: >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Keyboards have arrow keys. We shouldn't be talking about C-n/C-p in the > tutorial. As someone who never uses arrow keys, I'd argue that keyboards having arrow keys is not sufficient reason to avoid educating users about C-n/C-p. In fact, I use a utility on my Mac to universally bind C-n and C-p to be equivalent to arrow keys in all other apps. :) -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2