From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: open-{gnutls,network}-stream backwards compatibility
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:29:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2y380hxaa.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 838t0034bh.fsf@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 19:56:25 +0100
>>
>> > change open-network-stream such that not specifying
>> > :client-certificate is the same as specifying t
>> >
>> > Doesn't this mean an incompatible change in behavior?
>>
>> For what I think is a tiny (perhaps non-existent) minority of Emacs
>> users.
>
> We have no reliable way of estimating the number of affected users.
> Besides, even if there's only a single user affected, it requires us
> to consider this an incompatible change, which should be avoided if
> possible.
>
OK. We can check back in a year to see how many people have changed
the configuration variable below from the default.
>
>> My follow-on to that fix would be to assume that not specifying
>> :client-certificate at all when calling open-network-stream is the
>> same as specifying ':client certificate t'. Only people with existing
>> client certificate entries in their auth-source provider (such as
>> .authinfo) would see a change in behaviour.
>
> It's still a change. At the very least, we should provide a way to
> have the old behavior back.
>
See below
>> If that last change is unacceptable, Iʼd want to change all the
>> callers of open-network-stream inside Emacs to specify
>> ':client-certificate t'. People using built-in Emacs packages would
>> then be able to use client certificates by changing configuration data
>> only. People using packages developed outside Emacs would need to
>> update those external packages to versions which specify
>> ':client-certificate t', which is what Iʼd like to avoid.
>>
>> Short version: we assume a username/password entry in auth-source for
>> a specific server means 'use this username/password', so we should do
>> the same for a client-certificate specification.
>
> I don't necessarily disagree, provided that we give users who
> want/need that a way to get back the old behavior. Maybe I'm
> misunderstanding, but it sounds like both of your alternatives are
> backward-incompatible, so they both need such a "fire escape".
How about:
(defcustom network-stream-use-client-certificates
"Whether to use client certificates for network connections.
If set to the default value t, `open-network-stream' will
automatically look for matching client certificates (via
'auth-source') for a destination server, but only if it is called
without a :client-certificate keyword.
Set to nil to disable this lookup globally. To disable on a
per-connection basis specify ':client-certificate nil' when
calling `open-network-stream'.
:type '(choice (const t :tag "Always")
(const nil :tag "Never")))
(Now to find which custom group this goes in...)
Robert
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-01-04 22:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-01-02 16:49 open-{gnutls,network}-stream backwards compatibility Robert Pluim
2019-01-02 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-02 17:47 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-02 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-02 18:56 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-04 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-04 22:29 ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2019-01-05 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-05 7:36 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-05 8:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-09 21:50 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-10 15:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2019-01-10 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-12 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-02 18:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2019-01-02 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-02 19:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2019-01-02 19:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-02 20:01 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-02 20:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2019-01-04 11:15 ` Robert Pluim
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