From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Filipp Gunbin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:10:02 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> <53fc8fd4-2a3e-4937-bc17-6bf6d5bfff5a@googlegroups.com> <0d865b33-6751-4958-b61b-e0f2b3298a20@googlegroups.com> <83egmllmf0.fsf@gnu.org> <20150513074735.GB7600@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431519366 14341 80.91.229.3 (13 May 2015 12:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 13 14:15:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YsVZq-0003MD-0z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 14:15:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsVZp-0002mE-8Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38718) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsVZS-0002lu-RN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:15:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsVZL-0003MU-AP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:15:30 -0400 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:48001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsVZL-0003LJ-2b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:15:23 -0400 Original-Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B92420B80 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 May 2015 08:10:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=mVilr 5w+HTMwBWbNn5oCtVRw6tM=; b=Ac8bgEZdDe9pY1mhdOfHprQN2IJELOKfGLRBO KjXTqRM9yekZFKHfT9C++lIQKaOha5txDz3uPdccHIiVuxD9d/vRRUZAuiDNcDUA Uq3kCYD5QjtbnsR+eANjQqx+H91w9kbgGyiqXoZMuI+dmkXzxvUFNDNSJKUwEQLt zmc4Eo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=mVilr5w+HTMwBWbNn5oCtVRw6tM=; b=PM87o ybWi0yj3o8dqx6xqiuODpDhIL+yDpJkAvh/Qu0thcgz6xcVfR7vwjnuXD5yya5tF o1w5qRAEPz1tkqZ4rw4/Xv6+zi26Dkrb7tb0PB/YyyUR8cyvxLYXERsMy8Kt5+00 bXdNHYDvyhR5ki7Ksr4wjeMTp541b1aLNQ1ZMY= X-Sasl-enc: qmHbe19enqHcW80ykK3cIwE8fJeg6NEz7HIddjMjotjI 1431519005 Original-Received: from fgunbin.local (unknown [94.25.218.10]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A27FEC00011; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:10:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20150513074735.GB7600@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Wed, 13 May 2015 09:47:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104441 Archived-At: On 13/05/2015 09:47 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > Most user nowadays will be happy to use the (these days) conventional > cursor keys for movement (and discover to their delight that C-Left > jumps by words, wow!), click on menus and so on. Thus (one variant of) > tutorial would *only hint* (with links) at the existence of C-f etc. > which are so close to the hearts of the old garde. Heck, I'm an > old fart and *even on vi* (which I spell vim) I don't "HJKL" but use > the cursor keys (which are more within reach these days as nearly > everyone who has still a keyboard is on some kind of netbook). When using arrow keys for movement there's a danger that Emacs will turn into one big inconvenience. Rather, large amount of different keys to remember could lead to thinking of a suitable typing scheme and that's imho is an enjoyable thing. When I realized that right-hand modifiers can be used as well as left-hand, it made my experience much more pleasant. Filipp