From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:09:05 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83oag3oosv.fsf@gnu.org> <6909324d6de8929192a27fc0be8267d4@mail.iq.pl> <83eggyzu3z.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444752994 10536 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2015 16:16:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:16:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 18:16:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2FU-000088-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:16:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37244 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2FU-0001Pz-0u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34552) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2E4-0000Pa-La for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:14:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2E2-0005Ac-KA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:14:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]:35354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2E2-0005A6-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:14:54 -0400 Original-Received: by pabve7 with SMTP id ve7so25812048pab.2 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=EJFI7q0Dg0zPf4em4QesHcfhSZujC77JLyZjGLaVspE=; b=gGIMjJ2SWVPbtTBK5K/dCUlbRqSvTHKOrg7M1m8CMAtXBtFhJ4LHcQB9FHCGJX7NMg pKtCFUG/bk0htevn6j71JyAHBQtujIomkYxS+j7aAHdWOV8Eu6aRZ79NZXc0V88o+lUf /o3BjPMd/dafSyElXzAB7Ow0ttMnS2yl+yk27vwfwmsxvaYxf8DIDGqRcscwlM2cy/9s uNEemfTeE0OwwRvw1koXhXgyGcRjwJsstAgUBn0x+VGUl99E4B1CRhpYJgwQIbdUdwUO +bjCPBIX+GKbI242a4GEimTqTDMjXxuBViuIpo+A/bSppfuRjGRYFQ+DRf4ZRMpM+gHR 62Dw== X-Received: by 10.68.96.1 with SMTP id do1mr40652600pbb.37.1444752893609; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yg2sm4679322pbb.79.2015.10.13.09.14.51 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id E28DCF2DB015; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83eggyzu3z.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:05:52 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191490 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > In this thread, we are not talking about attracting more users, we are > talking about attracting more _developers_ for the core C code. [...] > As Daniel already wrote in this thread: don't underestimate the complexity > of Emacs that has nothing to do with the implementation language. Emacs > solves quite a few very complex problems; the solution is therefore complex, > and will be so no matter in what language you express it. That complexity is > IME the main obstacle for newcomers to Emacs maintenance. The rest is > non-negligible, of course, but good engineering practice is to solve the > main problem first, and go for the secondary one only afterwards. > Therefore, I think efforts to improve the documentation, commentary, and > readability of the code will yield higher gains faster than switching to > another language. I just want to give a huge +1 to this whole message by Eli. To anyone skimming through this thread, it deserves a closer read. John