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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308875 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > In the examples I've heard of, that is never the case. Either they > are secret -- users can only use them on a server, which is SaaSS, see > https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html -- > or they are released under nonfree licenses that restrict freedom 0; > see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html. That is not accurate; LLMs can definitely run locally on your machine. Models can be downloaded and ran using Python. Here is an LLM released under Apache 2 license [0]. There are "black-box" models, served in the cloud, but the revolution we're is precisely because many models are released freely and can be ran (and trained) locally, even on a laptop. [0] https://huggingface.co/mosaicml/mpt-7b -- Daniel Fleischer