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[79.227.168.73]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bo5-20020a170906d04500b009dd98089a48sm5200602ejb.43.2023.11.21.05.12.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 05:12:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30832e8647ddb7b160e5@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:18:34 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:274720 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: >> >> I'm sorry to bust this particular wedding, but here we see once >> again what became a frequent pattern in Emacs: a tiny problem, >> perhaps affecting one or a few users who happen to bump into it the >> first time they try something, which then causes quite serious >> changes to low-level infrastructure in Emacs that has been working >> flawlessly for years, and by doing that destabilize Emacs for no >> good reason. IOW, a tail that wags the dog. >> >> Happens time and again in Emacs, and we all fail to pay attention. >> >> [...] >> >> That said, I know I will be downvoted, and so will not object any >> changes in this wrong direction. Let the resultant breakage speak >> for itself. >> > > Not that my opinion counts, but FWIW, I agree with the above, and I > upvote this. +1