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From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: pipcet@protonmail.com, 75322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 11:20:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2wmfag9s6.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <865xmugawr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2025 11:56:20 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
>> Cc: pipcet@protonmail.com,  75322@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 09:47:43 +0100
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Let's discuss this on a case by case basis.  Not all uses of alloca
>> > are the same or have the same requirements and restrictions.
>> 
>> Okay. For the SDATA case, I find Pip's commit does the right thing. It
>> uses xstrdup for the strings and makes sure these are freed later by
>> registering them in one of the special specpdl entries that exist for
>> that purpose (record_unwind_protect_ptr). Works with both GCs, is always
>> safe, I don't see disadvantages, and we don't have to check if GC runs
>> or not and compact strings (old) or moves string data around (igc).
>
> The disadvantage is to xstrdup strings when that is not needed.  It
> increases memory pressure and also costs some CPU time.  Not very
> significant disadvantage, admittedly, but still.  If this is needed,
> it's a small price to pay, but if it isn't needed, it's a waste.

That's true.

>
> So let's see if we agree that it is indeed needed.  The way to do that
> is to explain how GC could happen while the code which assembles the
> environment in make_environment_block and the code in emacs_spawn
> afterwards run.  Note that we block SIGCHLD and block input while
> emacs_spawn runs.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that's not something for me. The possible gains
are so small that I don't want to spend time checking this.

>> For the Lisp_Object cases, I strongly suspect that these cases are an
>> oversight and were left over when SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP was introduced. The
>> reason for introducing SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP is, IMO, what Pip said (old GC):
>> to make sure that the Lisp_Objects are marked, via specpdl stack entries
>> again, when the specpdl stack(s) are marked. Not doing that looks
>> definitely wrong. Replacing the other ALLOCA macros that are currently
>> used for holding Lisp_Objects with SAFE_ALLOCA_LISP would solve things
>> for both GCs.
>
> Can we first identify those cases, so that we could discuss the
> specific codes in question?

Okay. Pip talked about callproc.c and process.c. I believe process.c is
the one with the SDATA.

In callproc.c I found two: call_process and create_temp_file both use
SAFE_NALLOCA to store Lisp_Objects. I think these should be replaces
with SAVE_ALLOCA_LISP.





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-04 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-03 17:20 bug#75322: SAFE_ALLOCA assumed to root Lisp_Objects/SSDATA(string) Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-03 19:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:34   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 20:48     ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04  4:40       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  8:47           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  9:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 10:20               ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2025-01-05 13:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 14:11                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:17                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 19:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 20:04                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 20:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06  3:57                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06  8:25                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-06 14:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 21:15                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 12:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 14:48                               ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 15:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:27                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 21:01                     ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-05 23:28                       ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06 13:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:08                           ` Daniel Colascione
2025-01-06  4:23                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:41               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 11:29         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 12:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  7:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  7:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04  8:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04  8:58           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 11:08       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 13:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 14:13           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 15:26           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 15:34             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 18:35                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 19:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:24                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-04 18:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 19:32               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-04 20:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 21:15                   ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  8:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:04                       ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  9:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  9:47                           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 15:54                               ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 19:16                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-08  3:46                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  6:59   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:30       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:35         ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 10:45           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 11:37           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 12:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 13:21               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 17:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 17:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 18:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 19:02                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05  7:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  8:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:40         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:21           ` Pip Cet via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 11:27             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-05 11:49             ` Paul Eggert
2025-01-06  6:26           ` Gerd Möllmann

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