From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Sean O'Rourke" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:17:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: <878xb05ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <864plnorgn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85ps4ap0kh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <18024.30252.846428.246125@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181254673 25083 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2007 22:17:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 08 00:17:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HwQIg-0002mk-N5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:17:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwQIf-00081m-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwQIb-0007xZ-1r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwQIa-0007vR-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwQIZ-0007v6-PH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound2.ucsd.edu ([132.239.1.206]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HwQIZ-0003NN-78 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49]) by outbound2.ucsd.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l57MHcMI080099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=2007001; d=ucsd.edu; c=simple; q=dns; b=w5RKUxO/cFl7kWExVzcxUA/31HBIGziuzNPXBTuNIvBqAv6/Xr3muBjUA/9mc2AZo txE+pJdh3Kf4VM9ea0XWw== Original-Received: from mister-foo.local ([128.54.220.221]) by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l57MHalQ014594; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <18024.30252.846428.246125@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Fri\, 8 Jun 2007 09\:18\:36 +1200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72442 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > When there is choice I don't see how they can be > counterproductive; presumably you can just use Carbon Emacs. I do use Carbon Emacs. But there's always risk in being part of a silent minority, since the options of interest to such a minority are more likely to be removed for the sake of simplicity, etc. (see below). > > I already have a number of lines in my .emacs disabling various > > bits of modernization (e.g. tooltip-mode, tool-bar-mode, > > blink-cursor-mode, enormous fringes on both sides), > > Enormous is an exaggeration - they're one character wide - and since > you _can_ disable them I see no problem. True, but IIRC it was only possible to disable the fringes after a number of people complained. And "enormous" is relative -- for me at the time, the fringe made it impossible to have two non-overlapping, 80-column frames side-by-side with my preferred font. > I don't see these features simply as modernisation. I find the > toolbar useful for debugging and the fringe displays breakpoint > icons. I imagine other people have other uses for them. I have since re-added a half-width left fringe for debugging arrows. I would prefer that it only appear when the arrow was needed, but I now prefer it to the old text arrow. > I think a bit of flexibility is needed on both sides. This > could get blown up out of proportion, but I think it should > really be a small issue. Agreed. I'm happy as long as I can disable these things in my .emacs. I just thought that there are probably quite a few of us out here who prefer doing things the "old way," that this very preference is part of what keeps us using Emacs rather than Eclipse or something, and that it's important to remind everyone that we exist. /s