From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:12:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87d39pgdu4.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328893991 16542 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2012 17:13:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 10 18:13:09 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1v-0006H9-EQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:13:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38609 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1u-0007P4-Sd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57549) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1n-0007Nu-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:13:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1d-0003o1-P6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:12:55 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1d-0003nx-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:12:45 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rvu1Y-0005wB-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:12:40 +0100 Original-Received: from dial-183239.pool.broadband44.net ([212.46.183.239]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:12:40 +0100 Original-Received: from eller.helmut by dial-183239.pool.broadband44.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:12:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-183239.pool.broadband44.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZIpeLfSIa+c1vbO+2rDUoUcLR1A= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148442 Archived-At: * Stefan Monnier [2012-02-10 14:38] writes: >>> I've never understood what's wrong with including cl.el, nor why the >>> byte-compiler should warn specially about it, any more than it warns >>> about any other package. >> Since the beginning of time, the Emacs maintainer (whoever they were at >> the time) just hasn't liked Common Lisp. > > Actually, I like many parts of Common Lisp. E.g. I intend to move the > compiler macros to the Elisp core (they're pretty much there already since > they require support in the bytecompiler). I also like the `setf' macro > and related machinery. Of course defstruct is also good (because "more > types" is good in my world). At the risk of stating the obvious: we could define compiler-macros for keyword-using functions like position and automatically rewrite all uses to a keyword-less implementation like cl-position. Then everybody could use the prefix-less version without the need to (require 'cl) at runtime. Helmut