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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j17sm50477051pfe.79.2016.10.17.16.09.20 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4D6C3306DA6B; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:01:23 +0100") Mail-Followup-To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), Eli Zaretskii , Andy Moreton , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208384 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "PL" =3D=3D Phillip Lord writes: PL> I think it's decision time. I am happy to carry on a little further with PL> the package.el based approach that I have outlined, fixing the one PL> significant issue with it and then I will stop. If you don't want to go PL> this way, that's fine. At this time, I don't want to go "full package.el". However, I'd like to include it, since it's key to how users interact with ELPA-based packages. = I think Eli said it best: EZ> We need to adapt package.el to the new needs. It was not written with EZ> these goals in mind, so it needs to learn new tricks. Throwing it away = is EZ> not acceptable, but neither is blindly accepting its current assumption= s, EZ> which were not designed for the use case we are discussing. So let's not move to "directory per package", but let's do support "properly upgrading a package that came with the distribution". =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJYBVobAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwU3IL/010DBVdMOAJCViHRfm2yCTE ytZDXL8Ubzz/S9vOjdSR81j0dtwFNFYnRW8rn0p5KUNd/raV7AFF+dXn0pO7b8pg QL9eG2bGlD34AdHzYYogxW/RjcisXvt5l3YoJHWDBh+iVJjH4t3jitMK/2YoOEs/ lKKbcSG0DIhgq/yz3v7M75XWfMe2EmISTVewWbSCLyj7DZ/j8z/6+vS4kI1/ldLF ICUDxGNl74gJPutkZqrvyUbEp3FgULofFytsQgpzGW1NSFUHPe3/kKd61zzdsa4Z Y/YPPmM3EOhRCJHASokUj4ZrPRzDBOtNx8eYWCmEA9IrhYdeRaL5QmSAbnD7Dcco V+3hzOB4j5NdD8yhLgs+ay/nYe39+TNE0ESnVZZWPeSbs8rZgxmyI6AbN8lre7re RIPEUoQ3gJokjnm37eHfzya4HGiv5Ewxydc+f1Vs8IOLttVV9061HTa5LGThxilO e5uenqDRlM3otSe5QmmI9i6++MGmg5di0TyaAY96pQ== =ALco -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--