From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <87sl5m4fsc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189453910 20024 80.91.229.12 (10 Sep 2007 19:51:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , wilde@sha-bang.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 11 05:51:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IUvOF-0004nB-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:22:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUntt-0007lC-D6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUntX-0007dh-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IUntW-0007d8-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUntV-0007d3-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:21:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ppsw-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.132]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IUntQ-0006AC-Lb; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:21:52 -0400 X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Original-Received: from accountslaptop.gradunion.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.92.141]:37572 helo=localhost.localdomain) by ppsw-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.152]:587) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:sl392) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1IUns4-00080B-8u (Exim 4.63) (return-path ); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:20:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87sl5m4fsc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:00:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 Emacs/23.0.50 (20070901) Fedora 7 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78485 Archived-At: On 2007-09-10 18:00 +0100, Chong Yidong wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > The way Emacs currently handles the splash screen is completely >> > unsatisfactory, because it gives the impression that the splash screen >> > is being displayed *instead of* the file specified by the user (and >> > thus implies that Emacs is unable to process command line arguments.) >> >> Yes, this looks like a bug, and this is confusing for beginners who don't >> know how to turn this behavior off. >> >> The best way is: don't specify a file name argument when you start >> Emacs. That kind of argument is supported for compatibility with >> other editors, but it is not the recommended way to use Emacs. >> Experienced Emacs users generally don't do it anyway. > > I often find it convenient to use Emacs with filename arguments. > Obviously, different people have different usage patterns. > > You seem to be arguing that just because *you* don't use a particular > Emacs feature, it is OK for Emacs to exhibit broken or annoying > behavior for that feature. I agree with Chong. Experienced users don't use startup screen anyway. But we are trying to make newbies happy. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html