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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:239889 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 10:12:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Juanma Barranquero >> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 02:49:24 +0200 >> Cc: Zhu Zihao , stefan@marxist.se, >> Emacs developers >> >> A better metrics (but hard to estimate) is how many times a function of cl-lib has been reimplemented (likely in >> a much simpler way), or how many workarounds are in place because someone wanted to use a cl-lib >> function in the pre-loaded code, but couldn't, and didn't have the energy to try to convince emacs-devel to >> preload cl-lib ;-) Eli> Only those of the cases where autoloading wouldn't have solved the Eli> issue. >> I mean, cl-lib is infrastructure code. It's useful and >> expressive. If it were preloaded, people would find uses for it. Eli> They can use it now by autoloading cl-lib functions they need. Hmm, if cl-lib is that useful, could we not make people's lives easier by just slapping autoload cookies on all of it? Robert