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[217.227.106.69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3675a0e0b7csm7347706f8f.49.2024.06.30.05.43.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 30 Jun 2024 05:43:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86bk3ihbgo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2024 15:16:55 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::429; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x429.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320961 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > If you are unwilling to try what I suggest, I guess the future will > tell who is right and who isn't. My fear is that going your way will > mean we'd need to disable many useful Emacs features or make them much > less useful. You could also say I'm unable to work ono this because I don't have that problem on macOS to begin with. And I'm am unwilling to set up such a system so that I can do more work. I'd actually rather let others take over scratch/igc. And finally I find the idea of making MPS usable in signal handlers wrong, I said that already. So, sorry, this is outside of my field of interest.