From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A wish, a plea Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:13:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <467BFAAB.8060601@gnu.org> <851wg3chsm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <467D78BF.6020405@hacksaw.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182697931 23645 80.91.229.12 (24 Jun 2007 15:12:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Hacksaw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 24 17:12:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I2Tkx-0003c5-P0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:12:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2Tkx-0006Hz-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I2Tkq-0006Fo-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:11:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I2Tkp-0006FQ-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2Tko-0006FN-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ns.km1136.keymachine.de ([62.141.58.119] helo=km1136.keymachine.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I2Tkm-0007ev-ER; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:11:52 -0400 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslcu253.osnanet.de [89.166.148.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by km1136.keymachine.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l5OFBi5T026612; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:11:44 +0200 Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Kenny MUA v.0409034.42) ID 1I2TmN-0007y4-Ej; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:13:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <467D78BF.6020405@hacksaw.org> (hacksaw@hacksaw.org's message of "Sat\, 23 Jun 2007 15\:47\:11 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73760 Archived-At: Hacksaw wrote: > > My preference would be for scratch to actually save everything. Don't > treat it like mere workspace to be tossed when you figure something > out, treat it as a fairly limitless notebook in which you can record > your ideas, try out things, and hopefully never lose anything you > didn't explicitly erase. I would make it autosave fairly often, like > after an eval, as well as after 250 characters, and such [...] If I understand your idea right, that would mean making no changes to the semantics of *scratch* at all, with the one exception of preserving the content of *scratch* between Emacs sessions? I like that idea very much! And I think it should make everybody happy: those who are worried, that they might write something important in *scratch* and exit Emacs without saving could simply restart Emacs again without having lost anything -- and people like me could keep using *scratch* like they are used to, without being annoyed by questions about saving changed content of *scratch*. The only change for folks like me would be, that they would want to discard the content of *scratch* from time to time, but C-x h C-w isn't that hard to type... (or it could be arranged in .emacs for those, who want the exact current behavior back). sascha -- Sascha Wilde : "I heard that if you play the Windows CD backward, you : get a satanic message. But that's nothing compared to : when you play it forward: It installs Windows...." : -- G. R. Gaudreau