From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cl-pushnew and other functions Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:44:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1341035070 25672 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2012 05:44:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:44:30 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 30 07:44:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTt-0004Ia-HY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:44:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59731 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTt-00028v-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:44:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58444) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTq-00028J-Qz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:44:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTp-00057d-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:44:26 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTo-00057W-Vj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:44:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqTk-0004Bg-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:44:20 +0200 Original-Received: from dial-190172.pool.broadband44.net ([212.46.190.172]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:44:20 +0200 Original-Received: from eller.helmut by dial-190172.pool.broadband44.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:44:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-190172.pool.broadband44.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wMZ/bPf8zHyEpnplELeq6X1c30A= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151315 Archived-At: * Stefan Monnier [2012-06-30 04:16] writes: >>>> I think the basic function in CL should just be considered part of the >>>> Emacs Lisp language, >>> We simply disagree. >> Why do we disagree? > > Because I don't want to simply adopt all those Common-Lisp-isms into > Elisp. A big reason for that is that Elisp is not compiled > aggressively, so some design choices in Common-Lisp would be too costly > in Elisp. > > Other reasons is that I do not agree with some of Common-Lisp's design > choices (question of taste). For a recent example, define-setf-expander > is ugly and inefficient, so the new "core setf" does not fully > support it. Other example: why have `case' when you can have `pcase'? Because the XEmacs has it. Helmut