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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: use-package.el -> Emacs core
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:05:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2si4ezmt9.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAdUY-+Bhy754-Xdus68d0DeK97FL_OEzLaeS5ENimHZ1DYjBw@mail.gmail.com> (Artur Malabarba's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:44:46 +0000")

>>>>> Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com> writes:

> Alternative? I was under the impression that use-package was a way of
> organising your package configurations in the init file (and ensuring that
> they are installed), with installation/upgrading itself still being done via
> package.el. Did I get it wrong?

I think I said it wrong by using the words "package management":

- package.el is for installing, upgrading, and removing packages, and for
  establishing autoloads and customization access to those packages.
  use-package does none of these things, although it is able to make use
  of package.el.

- use-package is for configuration only. The stuff you'd already write in
  init.el, only more declaratively. Nor does it seek to replace M-x customize,
  since the two work together rather nicely (this is what I do).

It was my error for making them seem as though they were on the same footing.
They are almost completely orthogonal. The two can live together in perfect
harmony; or, a user who makes no use of package.el can use use-package to
clean up configuration code that doesn't fit the customization interface.

John



  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-10  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10  0:02 use-package.el -> Emacs core John Wiegley
2015-11-10  0:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10  0:31   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  0:40     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10  7:55     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 11:52       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:10         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:23           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 12:40             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 12:47               ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:42                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:56                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11  0:37                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-10 15:55                   ` João Távora
2015-11-10 16:08                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:23                   ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 14:03               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 14:15                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:22                 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:17                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 15:46                     ` João Távora
2015-11-10 18:15                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:32                         ` João Távora
2015-11-10 19:47                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 21:00                             ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:56                     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:20                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 18:38                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:52                             ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 18:55                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:24                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 19:35                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:42                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 12:42             ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 12:46           ` David Kastrup
2015-11-10 13:06             ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 18:15               ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2015-11-10 18:31                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-10 13:32             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 15:08               ` Customize is only for newbies? [was: use-package.el -> Emacs core] Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:01                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-10 14:58           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 15:42             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  8:49     ` use-package.el -> Emacs core João Távora
2015-11-10  8:57       ` Pedro Silva
2015-11-10  9:45         ` João Távora
2015-11-10 12:01           ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10 13:37             ` João Távora
2015-11-10 14:07               ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:39               ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 14:48                 ` João Távora
2015-11-10 15:40                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 12:43                   ` Nicolas Richard
2015-11-10 17:36               ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-10  0:44 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  1:05   ` John Wiegley [this message]
2015-11-10  1:24     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  1:37       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10  3:20         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  5:37           ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10  6:07             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:27             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:32               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:29                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-11 16:48                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:04                     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-11 20:10                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12  2:11                       ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-12  2:19                         ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa John Wiegley
2015-11-12  3:50                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 22:31                         ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa (was: use-package.el -> Emacs core) Richard Stallman
2015-11-15 14:51                           ` Copyright assignments in Gnu Elpa Andreas Röhler
2015-11-16 19:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-10  1:37 ` use-package.el -> Emacs core Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-10  8:24 ` joakim
2015-11-11  0:29   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:45     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11  9:30       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 10:04         ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-11 10:20         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10  8:44 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-10  9:29 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11  0:32   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11  0:37     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:21 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:34   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:54     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:09       ` Kaushal Modi
2015-11-10 20:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:04     ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-02-15 19:49 Toon Claes
2017-02-15 19:51 ` John Wiegley

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