From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 b6d6304: Comment on last change to define-derived-mode Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:58:20 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20160301035146.26012.60163@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <0ff1a53d-bbdf-7393-5462-516c89a582d8@yandex.ru> Reply-To: John Wiegley NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457233137 5699 80.91.229.3 (6 Mar 2016 02:58:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 02:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 06 03:58:50 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acOuA-0008NE-9b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 03:58:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48947 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acOu9-000608-QK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:58:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acOtr-0005zv-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:58:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acOto-0006xK-Fd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:58:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b]:38733) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acOto-0006xG-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:58:28 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id qc2so2264631igb.1 for ; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:58:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=Xtedn5BTjGjZJk7Zjw2WY0Qe83a9IhwtBwOjylBRt8g=; b=CCj/evH6AfxhSWWK9/26bWcbPdZ78lzh7z6xCdpt+GwkGGe3c0eqsxOCqsuCg8ZIlE 7tv4MhdlQEx0azr4dCHNpX1Ibmb5QMcDtJlpHXKg7oIhdzBXSYdQz07/Lc7iwdIBJlv4 CfUc/RnSPZ28Km9mVKg/e3qm9dIHxdI4oQsp0BAfsCLY3oFytfWp+FM8IQJAkX8dHUPo wOYI2GNUjtnVO2TDivdJ65k3mhFi2ct2CLcBAjkTKBVDSoY7whDbYu9ZNXk1Ot0G+esd OncqYleAX0HOGzUCeo5nNGqSTzX9rgTpK6XOZ4xrEuUY6syFwwH2oXpJnmYcgcmSSo12 yrDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=Xtedn5BTjGjZJk7Zjw2WY0Qe83a9IhwtBwOjylBRt8g=; b=J+h2EdItq1SPslamhlM2Ejd8bast5e45zGS5nO5G+ztaChTkj8Si9CTce1Me5tizzr Y9th3o1wcmiB7AXO9Ab2P/oKJArLtjTJPtxPVeHvv4jbN9IRYczJByw386PqO0OeRG0/ csPUbEjaNjyWeUdOXtrlyka+OHpYU0ybqZgn8szJCSwYiy6rgCi0l0mVtR0iV3VGqsDD 9k4B2siyYLQZPuAsTCs5T1SLkkNwCnB0tx2tjqynDi7+2QKf8953wHLiwFCU/c8/oeXJ GumqjIyKffFnoIn+NnInOEz3kRzfRQS/FedRJmMOsteiZQXbwSdxSzqQ3X8FG6B+ow1n W6IQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLwFn51C7zEJF3BAWBXHI37z+QSjIUaFSgYrEkFVDRTwqZUYy8wS7Nx1SjVP8KcPA== X-Received: by 10.50.98.34 with SMTP id ef2mr5501901igb.1.1457233107730; Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:58:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (mail.johnwiegley.com. [208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id hb5sm2559283igb.6.2016.03.05.18.58.24 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 35B804ED205D; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 18:58:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Sat, 05 Mar 2016 10:09:49 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Leo Liu , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Oleh Krehel X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200984 Archived-At: >>>>> Leo Liu writes: > I love to hear the `all things' that you have considered? Make a trivial > change is trivial but I would like to know we have enough justification to > change something that people have grown dependent in the past 10 years. Care > to elaborate? I agree that defaults like this should not be changed without discussion. Oleh, why was this change made back in January? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2