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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a62sm32826761pgc.60.2017.04.04.10.04.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Apr 2017 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A2F8C3650A61; Tue, 4 Apr 2017 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:14:03 -0700") Mail-Followup-To: Michael Albinus , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213651 Archived-At: >>>>> John Wiegley writes: > This is the essence of my question: Does it solve the problem for some, at a > cost to others? What is the new user experience if they fail to use "ssh:"? > Is it obvious what they've done wrong and how to fix it? Michael, I'd still like an answer to these questions, please. I'm concerned about how this change is going to affect users who aren't as aware of Tramp and its workings. Thanks! Alternatively, if we implement a compat translation that is on by default for at least a few versions, it would resolve these questions as well. Thanks, -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2