From: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: guile and emacs and elisp, oh my!
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:58:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2r5m95858.fsf@imac-c2.pc.gwdg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tyr587a2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:49:25 +0200")
David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
> David Engster <deng@randomsample.de> writes:
>
>> Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com> writes:
>>> I think it is beneficial to a program like Emacs to have a single
>>> extension language. A single language makes both reuse and debugging
>>> simpler. Multiple languages equals chaos.
>>
>> I tend to agree. The priority should be to make Emacs Lisp more
>> powerful, for example by adding stuff from the CL library to the
>> language core.
>
> The cl library is an incredibly complex hack. It makes debugging and
> figuring out things quite harder.
>
> It makes more sense to switch to a system which deals with such
> complexity in more straightforward ways.
>
> So I tend to see your wish of "make Emacs Lisp more powerful instead" as
> more expensive and painful in the long run.
With "stuff from the CL library" I'm not talking about features like
'lexical-let' or even the whole thing. What I'd really like to see, at
least in the short term, are things like 'remove-if', 'delete-if',
'every', 'notany', 'count', 'loop', etc. . I know that the
implementation of those often uses CL keywords, which is why Richard
didn't want them in Emacs Lisp, at least not in the current form.
-David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-21 11:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-14 20:18 guile and emacs and elisp, oh my! Andy Wingo
2010-04-15 8:38 ` christian.lynbech
2010-04-15 8:53 ` joakim
2010-04-15 17:34 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-15 23:54 ` Ken Raeburn
2010-04-16 6:48 ` joakim
2010-04-16 17:05 ` Ken Raeburn
2010-04-16 17:16 ` Ken Raeburn
2010-04-16 18:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-20 22:36 ` Tom Tromey
2010-04-21 7:37 ` christian.lynbech
2010-04-21 9:27 ` David Engster
2010-04-21 9:49 ` David Kastrup
2010-04-21 11:04 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-21 11:58 ` David Engster [this message]
2010-04-21 12:22 ` David Kastrup
2010-04-21 16:43 ` Ludovic Courtès
2010-04-22 9:35 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-22 15:14 ` Karl Fogel
2010-04-25 19:36 ` Tom Tromey
2010-04-23 2:00 ` Thomas Lord
2010-04-23 8:28 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-23 9:17 ` Ludovic Courtès
2010-04-23 10:19 ` christian.lynbech
2010-04-23 11:28 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-23 11:31 ` christian.lynbech
2010-04-23 13:10 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-23 22:43 ` Thomas Lord
2010-04-24 11:05 ` Andy Wingo
2010-04-25 0:02 ` Thomas Lord
2010-04-25 16:54 ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-25 17:11 ` Andy Wingo
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