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From: charles@aurox.ch (Charles A. Roelli)
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: poplife-mode
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:32:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2r2t3w84m.fsf@aurox.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8VAsYsoSafW_6Si68nhASiv2Ewhu_=bX3yS+C3vCseQdA@mail.gmail.com> (message from Yuri Khan on Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:17:14 +0700)

> From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:17:14 +0700
> 
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Stefan Monnier
> <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> >> Is it a good idea to invent a UI that is unlike anything out there in
> >> any other GUI application, at least AFAIK?  Last time Emacs did that
> >> there was no other app around, but not so nowadays...
> >
> > AFAIK "long click brings up a context menu" was used in macOS some years
> > ago (no idea if it is still used), so it's not a completely new idea.
> 
> Also, on mobile devices (starting at least as far back as Pocket PC
> around 2002), as a poor man’s substitute for secondary mouse button
> click. Inefficient as hell, since instead of just clicking a button
> you have to hold your finger until the timeout elapses and watch the
> little ring around your cursor fill.

Those were the days!  But in contrast, 450 ms is not long to wait for
a context menu, as you can test in Stefan's patch.

> > The only existing standard I know for context menus is to use mouse-3,
> > but that clashes with existing Emacs behavior.  Of course, we could
> > simply drop that existing Emacs behavior.
> 
> Those same applications that show a context menu on the secondary
> mouse button click also select a region on Shift+primary click.
> 
> Emacs as is:
> 
> * <mouse-3> marks region, one more <mouse-3> at the same position kills it
> * <S-mouse-1> pops up buffer appearance menu
> 
> Emacs mimicking other applications could do this:
> 
> * <mouse-3> pops up context menu which includes buffer appearance as
> part or submenu
> * <S-mouse-1> marks region, one more <S-mouse-1> at the same position kills it

Actually, in Emacs under macOS, S-mouse-1 already runs
mouse-save-then-kill, as mouse-3 (and the buffer appearance menu is by
default not accessible, I think).  It was apparently done to maintain
consistency with other macOS apps.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-12 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-05  1:00 poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-05  5:52 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-11 12:47 ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-11 15:01   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 13:55     ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-12 16:46       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 16:54         ` poplife-mode Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 17:47           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 19:17             ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 20:32               ` Charles A. Roelli [this message]
2017-11-12 20:36               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13  5:03                 ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 18:06         ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 20:24           ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-13  8:11             ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-13 14:36               ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:03                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14  0:48                   ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-14 23:26                     ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14 23:40                       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  1:36         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  3:40         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  4:06           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 14:36             ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 15:24               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 17:08                 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 20:20                   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 21:56                     ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:13                       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 23:08                     ` Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode) Alex
2017-11-14  2:50                       ` Changing default mouse bindings Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14  7:07                         ` Yuri Khan
2017-11-14 16:34                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 15:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-14 16:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 16:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 15:35                           ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 16:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<69307385-5625-48dc-9611-ad7f0b6bd529@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83r2t0kdaz.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 19:47                               ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 20:26                       ` Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode) Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-14 23:11                         ` Changing default mouse bindings Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-15  3:16                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-16 23:21                             ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-17  7:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-17 15:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-10  4:34                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]                               ` <<838tf5id1e.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-17 15:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-11-17 16:25                       ` Sam Steingold
2017-11-13 23:16                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]   ` <<jwvy3ncx3kx.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<m2h8tzppod.fsf@aurox.ch>
2017-11-13  1:06       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams

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