From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Filipp Gunbin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32047: 26.1; Misleading/confusing text about `C-k' in TUTORIAL Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:14:10 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o9fn2386.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83h8l5g3ac.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1531336533 9711 195.159.176.226 (11 Jul 2018 19:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:15:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (darwin) Cc: "N. 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Jackson) >> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:34:33 -0400 >> >> 414 >> Move the cursor to the beginning of a line which is not empty. >> 415 Then type C-k to kill the text on that line. >> 416 >> Type C-k a second time. You'll see that it kills the Newline >> 417 which follows that line. >> 418 >> 419 Note that a single C-k kills the contents of the line, and a second >> 420 C-k kills the line itself, and makes all the other lines move up. C-k >> 421 treats a numeric argument specially: it kills that many lines AND >> 422 their contents. This is not mere repetition. C-u 2 C-k kills two >> 423 lines and their Newlines; typing C-k twice would not do that. >> >> The example(s) given in Lines 414 to 417 are correct. But the >> sentence beginning on Line 419 is misleading. It is only true >> when point is at the beginning of the line. > > But in this case, point _is_ at the beginning of the line, isn't it? > So I wonder whether it is worth it to complicate the text just for > accuracy's sake? > > What do others think? I think the doc is clear and cannot see what's so special about the beginning of line.. Maybe an example would help. Filipp