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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d65sm21835651pfb.74.2016.02.26.16.49.02 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0F7B6131CCC23; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:49:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ziuncpch.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:13:02 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , joostkremers@fastmail.fm, rms@gnu.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200701 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > The discussion (with a few exceptions) is about how to augment the current > implementation to make it more acceptable to various needs and cultures. = So > I think it's directly related to the pretest, and so moving it to > emacs-tangents would be wrong. In that case, can you please propose a plan for reaching such acceptability? If I can clearly see what we're aiming toward, it will give me a context for reading these messages, and help focus the discussion. For example: makes exactly it not acceptable today? what are the desirable features of an "ideal implementation"? what are the variables we're trying = to hammer down? etc. Then I think we can meaningfully tackle this issue by breaking it into the smaller pieces that make it up. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJW0PJVAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Yw7X8MAMWuG8KqZ+0WW4gzlqNaEns6 r7jJvpJ3rmFat68qkvthN5fiYznu8uq4fgPZixaL5FG6MJPcgphHS5B4+wr3YMJi somFAkYHFLkao2lWDUlNQKikB3uR0B/kgUGlGGPw/wyjcf7qUPN85bLtb+jR0yke tF5dDqhBa7H1ddOo22F8sOXcgeP5xYiZmb/ElyWjUtKAJjyegDZXPG6zAk285XSB q5CowH29wKjvOJyLYZcct30f6GShfihE91RtJo0T5Wi4dNe26trUZVbkyLlXrr1U mIgKH+B1Bx9rs0kwYsBd8ObgG6OlWwMI7vcdtnYE4LJXsSTaoJSasOlPaMft/4z+ +LUzHjkU6iXmmweQrklb0rfIAaDKeUJ9VMVzHojxGpt8KJYyaW5WIDp5EzN9aG6h 32Lmyp1mXgQYO89f61FCT8PuKbJYIzpsyla1/gMdFXXHnvA2oCZxz6bb3mQaEsNv iHkc7df467tlOBi1WTsv9d5HLN0ZizYiyetg20Fvmg== =zcMc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--